[nagdu] when dogs are working?

Wed Oct 1 03:17:14 UTC 2014

I would say that you guys are correct to be concerned about anyone walking in. 
Allergies are addressed because one of the room monitors has a service dog, so people know that if they can’t be around dogs, not to enter the room. In the room, it is very easy to control Jada and even in a large area, like the dog park, she is easily controlled. Mind in the dog park it is a little more difficult, but it is still possible. Since I have been letting Jada off leash more in the rainbow room/dog park, we have been doing daily obedience training around other service animals, including the 4 paws pups who just started their official training. 
In an emergency, I am 90% sure Jada will listen to me, and since I wear my leash across my body like a purse strap when she is not on it, it wouldn’t be time consuming or difficult to attach the leash to her. Now, I know that other 10% is worrying and cause for some concern and argument. The truth is that that 10% is still there, no matter if she is in harness and laying by my feet in class or we are in the apartment.
I had a fire alarm go off at 4 in the morning a few weeks ago and I almost had to leave her in the apartment because she would not come with me. Mind you, that is also the one time I couldn’t find my leash in a pinch rush kind of scary situation. So as I see it, an emergency situation where she is off leash in a room full of people may be better since someone could grab her or lead me to her, making the “Come!” process a little less stressful. 
But the other issue does come in with one of my friends having her dog which has some duties he can not perform on a tether. She has told me about them but I don’t exactly remember the specifics. 

as for the possibility of Jada refusing to work for me because of all of the loving and attention she gets from other students? I have addressed that issue. I maintain that if I am holding the harness handle, petting is off limits. In fact, jada will head but people who try to pet her while she is working. I did get lax with the “No petting in harness” rule, but am also tightening the restrictions on that as well. Also, Jada is not taken to park or fed by anyone other than me. 
eviate a fear response that Jada has developed. But other than that Other than general obedience commands (E.G.: Sit, Stay, and down) I discourage people using commands on my dog. 
All 6 dog handlers that I am close to on campus are working on their dogs only listening to there said handler when the Come command is given. My command is a little different, as I say “Come, heal” so jada comes right to my left side. 
I have asked the volunteers who are in the room at all times if I can put up a notice of things you should and shouldn’t do around a service animal. Leader supplied me with many of these pamphlets and they were very helpful in my high school.

Thank you all for your opinions. As I always try to say, I respect all opinions and comments which are directed at me. However, I do demand some level of respect. I’m not calling anyone out, but if you think I mean you specifically, go back and look at your response. remember. It is not what you say, but how you say it. 
I know we are all mature adults here! :) but sometimes that friendly reminder can go a long way!
Thanks again for all of your advice!

Abby and sleepy Jada

Abigail Bolling
Wright State University: Social Work
“Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play.” (Julie Anderson-Diamond)One of my friends who has been a guide dog handler for 3 years and grew up with/training et dogs gave Jada some treats earlier today to help me elOn Sep 30, 2014, at 9:28 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> The only problem I see with that statement is this. The place that Abby is in is a place of public accommodation. The ADA goes both ways. While we have a right to bring our dogs into every place that offers accommodation to the public, it is our responsibility to keep our dogs under control at all times. Since this was a public place, anyone could have walked into that room. That can include people with dog allergiespeople who are a frayed of dogs, or any number of other people who do not want a dog in their personal space. We, as blind people, have an obligation to have control over our dogs at all times. If there had been an emergency, it would've been somewhat difficult to get out of there quickly, as a leash would've had to been attached to the dogs collar, and the dog would've had to come over to Abby firstit just concerns me, in a place like that, that any dog would have been loose. Our dogs are not perfect. We cannot guarantee that we will have 100% control over them at all times. As such, we should not let them loose in a place full of people, where the problems can arise. It's as simple as that.
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
> Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian proverb 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I agree with Dan 100%. Training makes them service dogs, not the
>> equipment. Oh, just think if the converse was true!
>> If your dog isn't under your control while wandering a room, then no,
>> it shouldn't be off leash. But it sounds like Abby wouldn't let her
>> dog off leash if Jada wasn't obedient.
>> I've done the same thing where I've let my dog off leash in a room of
>> people. He is incredibly obedient, and will return to me at the snap
>> of my fingers.
>> Unless the off-leash dogs are a nuisance or being naughty, I don't see
>> the problem. And it's not like you're navigating a whole building or
>> floor with the dog off leash; you're in 1 room for goodness sakes!
>> 
>>> On 9/30/14, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> But of course that wouldn't cover the room where they are with the dogs.
>>> However, I don't feel we are in control of our animal if it is roaming
>>> around the room really. Marion has said that the dog doesn't have to have on
>>> its harness.
>>> 
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The only concern that I have is that, somewhere in the ADA, it does state
>>>> that a service dog must remain under the control of the handler at all
>>>> times on a leash, unless the service dogs ability to mitigate the
>>>> disability is restricted by keeping it on the tether. So, in essence, I
>>>> think the advisor May, and I say May, have some ground to stand on. Your
>>>> dog is not under control in the room. As such, it's not really mitigating
>>>> your disability at that time. It's a very grey area, but there may be some
>>>> legal grounds. You must obey leash laws like anyone else in the Town who
>>>> may have a pet dog outside.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Dan Weiner via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your advisor is an idiot.
>>>>> It is aI believe the training of the dog rather than the equipment that
>>>>> makes it a service animal.Also the fact that he-she is with you, the dog
>>>>> doesn't wonder in by itself--lol
>>>>> 
>>>>> The schools will tell you this malarky about you should keep the harness
>>>>> on
>>>>> at all times  for legality's sake but as far as I have been able to
>>>>> determine that's just being overcautious.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wonder what the legal eagles on the list will say.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yours most sincerely,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dan W.
>>>>> 
>>>>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle
>>>>> Antoine
>>>>> via nagdu
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:37 PM
>>>>> To: Cindy Ray; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] when dogs are working?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow not sure where the law comes in hear. But you probably do have an ID
>>>>> card and if your dog came from the Eye (can't speak for other
>>>>> schools) she likely has a tag on the collar with contact info. Sounds
>>>>> like
>>>>> to me someone either is misinformed or is trying to make trouble for
>>>>> yall.
>>>>> Danielle
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/30/14, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> It is my understanding that you are correct and that the dog doesn't
>>>>>> stop being a service animal in the room if he has his leash and
>>>>>> harness off. JMO, my dog would remain in leash and harness anyway. I
>>>>>> guess the thing I'd do is to show those in charge the law and see where
>>>>> you go from there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Abigail Bolling via nagdu
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> hey all!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I recently started hanging out with a group of students called the
>>>>>>> rainbow alliance on campus.
>>>>>>> Being a student organization, we have a room in the student union
>>>>>>> which is considered a "safe space" where we can relax and be
>>>>>>> ourselves.
>>>>>>> h=The alliance has made it clear to me that if I am on break, then,
>>>>>>> obviously by decision but my dog should get some down time too. I
>>>>>>> agree completely. my dog is easy to control off leash and harness.
>>>>>>> They are completely comfortable with me taking my dog out of harness
>>>>>>> and all of the people who hang out in the room love dogs. There are
>>>>>>> at least 3 other people with service dogs who frequent that room, so
>>>>>>> it is nothing new to have a pup running around greeting people.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Today, we had an advisor come in the room and tell us that our dogs
>>>>>>> are not considered service animals if they are not in their full
>>>>>>> working gear.
>>>>>>> My question is what should I do about this situation?
>>>>>>> Should I fill out an incident report and have this advisor informed
>>>>>>> about the laws and regulations about service dogs, or is he correct?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Abby and Puppy Jada
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>>>> Wright State University: Social Work
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and  a song in your heart, and just let
>>>>>>> the music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
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