[nagdu] when dogs are working?

Wed Oct 1 03:41:13 UTC 2014

So thanks for the ADA clarity. What about off-leash recall?

On 9/30/14, Abigail Bolling via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I would say that you guys are correct to be concerned about anyone walking
> in.
> Allergies are addressed because one of the room monitors has a service dog,
> so people know that if they can't be around dogs, not to enter the room. In
> the room, it is very easy to control Jada and even in a large area, like the
> dog park, she is easily controlled. Mind in the dog park it is a little more
> difficult, but it is still possible. Since I have been letting Jada off
> leash more in the rainbow room/dog park, we have been doing daily obedience
> training around other service animals, including the 4 paws pups who just
> started their official training.
> In an emergency, I am 90% sure Jada will listen to me, and since I wear my
> leash across my body like a purse strap when she is not on it, it wouldn't
> be time consuming or difficult to attach the leash to her. Now, I know that
> other 10% is worrying and cause for some concern and argument. The truth is
> that that 10% is still there, no matter if she is in harness and laying by
> my feet in class or we are in the apartment.
> I had a fire alarm go off at 4 in the morning a few weeks ago and I almost
> had to leave her in the apartment because she would not come with me. Mind
> you, that is also the one time I couldn't find my leash in a pinch rush kind
> of scary situation. So as I see it, an emergency situation where she is off
> leash in a room full of people may be better since someone could grab her or
> lead me to her, making the "Come!" process a little less stressful.
> But the other issue does come in with one of my friends having her dog which
> has some duties he can not perform on a tether. She has told me about them
> but I don't exactly remember the specifics.
>
> as for the possibility of Jada refusing to work for me because of all of the
> loving and attention she gets from other students? I have addressed that
> issue. I maintain that if I am holding the harness handle, petting is off
> limits. In fact, jada will head but people who try to pet her while she is
> working. I did get lax with the "No petting in harness" rule, but am also
> tightening the restrictions on that as well. Also, Jada is not taken to park
> or fed by anyone other than me.
> eviate a fear response that Jada has developed. But other than that Other
> than general obedience commands (E.G.: Sit, Stay, and down) I discourage
> people using commands on my dog.
> All 6 dog handlers that I am close to on campus are working on their dogs
> only listening to there said handler when the Come command is given. My
> command is a little different, as I say "Come, heal" so jada comes right to
> my left side.
> I have asked the volunteers who are in the room at all times if I can put up
> a notice of things you should and shouldn't do around a service animal.
> Leader supplied me with many of these pamphlets and they were very helpful
> in my high school.
>
> Thank you all for your opinions. As I always try to say, I respect all
> opinions and comments which are directed at me. However, I do demand some
> level of respect. I'm not calling anyone out, but if you think I mean you
> specifically, go back and look at your response. remember. It is not what
> you say, but how you say it.
> I know we are all mature adults here! :) but sometimes that friendly
> reminder can go a long way!
> Thanks again for all of your advice!
>
> Abby and sleepy Jada
>
> Abigail Bolling
> Wright State University: Social Work
> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music
> play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)One of my friends who has been a guide dog
> handler for 3 years and grew up with/training et dogs gave Jada some treats
> earlier today to help me elOn Sep 30, 2014, at 9:28 PM, Aleeha Dudley via
> nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> The only problem I see with that statement is this. The place that Abby is
>> in is a place of public accommodation. The ADA goes both ways. While we
>> have a right to bring our dogs into every place that offers accommodation
>> to the public, it is our responsibility to keep our dogs under control at
>> all times. Since this was a public place, anyone could have walked into
>> that room. That can include people with dog allergiespeople who are a
>> frayed of dogs, or any number of other people who do not want a dog in
>> their personal space. We, as blind people, have an obligation to have
>> control over our dogs at all times. If there had been an emergency, it
>> would've been somewhat difficult to get out of there quickly, as a leash
>> would've had to been attached to the dogs collar, and the dog would've had
>> to come over to Abby firstit just concerns me, in a place like that, that
>> any dog would have been loose. Our dogs are not perfect. We cannot
>> guarantee that we will have 100% control over them at all times. As such,
>> we should not let them loose in a place full of people, where the problems
>> can arise. It's as simple as that.
>>
>> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
>> Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>> "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian
>> proverb
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I agree with Dan 100%. Training makes them service dogs, not the
>>> equipment. Oh, just think if the converse was true!
>>> If your dog isn't under your control while wandering a room, then no,
>>> it shouldn't be off leash. But it sounds like Abby wouldn't let her
>>> dog off leash if Jada wasn't obedient.
>>> I've done the same thing where I've let my dog off leash in a room of
>>> people. He is incredibly obedient, and will return to me at the snap
>>> of my fingers.
>>> Unless the off-leash dogs are a nuisance or being naughty, I don't see
>>> the problem. And it's not like you're navigating a whole building or
>>> floor with the dog off leash; you're in 1 room for goodness sakes!
>>>
>>>> On 9/30/14, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> But of course that wouldn't cover the room where they are with the
>>>> dogs.
>>>> However, I don't feel we are in control of our animal if it is roaming
>>>> around the room really. Marion has said that the dog doesn't have to
>>>> have on
>>>> its harness.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only concern that I have is that, somewhere in the ADA, it does
>>>>> state
>>>>> that a service dog must remain under the control of the handler at all
>>>>> times on a leash, unless the service dogs ability to mitigate the
>>>>> disability is restricted by keeping it on the tether. So, in essence,
>>>>> I
>>>>> think the advisor May, and I say May, have some ground to stand on.
>>>>> Your
>>>>> dog is not under control in the room. As such, it's not really
>>>>> mitigating
>>>>> your disability at that time. It's a very grey area, but there may be
>>>>> some
>>>>> legal grounds. You must obey leash laws like anyone else in the Town
>>>>> who
>>>>> may have a pet dog outside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Dan Weiner via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your advisor is an idiot.
>>>>>> It is aI believe the training of the dog rather than the equipment
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> makes it a service animal.Also the fact that he-she is with you, the
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>> doesn't wonder in by itself--lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The schools will tell you this malarky about you should keep the
>>>>>> harness
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> at all times  for legality's sake but as far as I have been able to
>>>>>> determine that's just being overcautious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wonder what the legal eagles on the list will say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours most sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan W.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle
>>>>>> Antoine
>>>>>> via nagdu
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:37 PM
>>>>>> To: Cindy Ray; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] when dogs are working?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow not sure where the law comes in hear. But you probably do have an
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> card and if your dog came from the Eye (can't speak for other
>>>>>> schools) she likely has a tag on the collar with contact info. Sounds
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to me someone either is misinformed or is trying to make trouble for
>>>>>> yall.
>>>>>> Danielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/30/14, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> It is my understanding that you are correct and that the dog doesn't
>>>>>>> stop being a service animal in the room if he has his leash and
>>>>>>> harness off. JMO, my dog would remain in leash and harness anyway. I
>>>>>>> guess the thing I'd do is to show those in charge the law and see
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>> you go from there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Abigail Bolling via nagdu
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hey all!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I recently started hanging out with a group of students called
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> rainbow alliance on campus.
>>>>>>>> Being a student organization, we have a room in the student union
>>>>>>>> which is considered a "safe space" where we can relax and be
>>>>>>>> ourselves.
>>>>>>>> h=The alliance has made it clear to me that if I am on break, then,
>>>>>>>> obviously by decision but my dog should get some down time too. I
>>>>>>>> agree completely. my dog is easy to control off leash and harness.
>>>>>>>> They are completely comfortable with me taking my dog out of
>>>>>>>> harness
>>>>>>>> and all of the people who hang out in the room love dogs. There are
>>>>>>>> at least 3 other people with service dogs who frequent that room,
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> it is nothing new to have a pup running around greeting people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today, we had an advisor come in the room and tell us that our dogs
>>>>>>>> are not considered service animals if they are not in their full
>>>>>>>> working gear.
>>>>>>>> My question is what should I do about this situation?
>>>>>>>> Should I fill out an incident report and have this advisor informed
>>>>>>>> about the laws and regulations about service dogs, or is he
>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Abby and Puppy Jada
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>>>>> Wright State University: Social Work
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and  a song in your heart, and just let
>>>>>>>> the music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
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