[nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds

Mon Oct 27 20:18:27 UTC 2014

I think the same approach, as with a misbehaving dog, can be used.  Perhaps 
something like:  "I noticed you are having a difficult time today.  I have 
bad days too.  Is there something I could do to help?  Perhaps a different 
table where it's quieter/with more room."

Honestly, I think if we approach anyone in any situation with kindness, 
compassion, openness and willingness to be of service, it will be kindly 
received.  Perhaps the person doesn't realize how they present themselves or 
their dog.   Perhaps they are having a bad day or a bad year.

If you want to convince someone to change their behavior being critical of 
them doesn't work and  turning them into the guide dog police doesn't work. 
They first have to realize there is a behavior they need to change.  They 
have to want to change.  For most people this means there has to be a 
perceived benefit to doing the necessary  work to make the change.  For a 
guide dog user this might be fitting inn, being welcome in establishments, 
being presentable to potential employers, getting another dog, better guide 
work from the dog or a number of other things.   Once the person sees that 
the benefit they will get out of a nicely behaved dog and calm management 
skills,  is better than the perception of the hardship of the changes 
necessary to get that benefit, will they put forth any effort.

Julie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Weiner via nagdu
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:53 PM
To: 'Vivianna' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds

Now let me advance a hypothetical situation that is based on a conversation
I had once.
This is a true conversation a restaurant owner I spoke to said he was very
impressed how calm I was with my dog?
What, I thought?
It seems a guide dog user had been in there who corrected the dog constantly
and scolded the dog and was pretty unpleasant generally.
He said that ever since then he had wondered about "these dogs" and the
people who had them.
Now, customers were apparently uncomfortable also seeing the person "yell
at" and correct the dog.
So, following your logic, would it be all right for the business owner to
get in to a serious discussion with that lady? Or, is it only when the
handler doesn't control the dog that you are concerned?

It is hypothetical because the guy told me he didn't think he should talk to
the woman because the dog was her means of getting around. So he didn't take
her to task at all, he rather asked me why she was so harsh with the dog in
my opinion. I tried to cut her some slack saying that there are different
handling styles, nice diplomatic  lack of an answer I think--lol

This was an animal lover obviously as I am.

Anyway, what would you have recommended the restaurant guy have done?

Dan the man

dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
nagdu
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:38 PM
To: Darla; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds

i have run into this same woman at the NFB national convention.
she had that dog on the end of the leash and didn't even use the harness.
it is very misbehaved.  it's not just sniffing around, it is trying to mount
the other dogs.  when i asked her to please keep her dog away from mine her
response was; oh, he's ok, he's just young.
every single person that i have said anything to about their dog has brushed
it off and done absolutely nothing.
they don't care that their dogs are not under control.
i really have no idea why this particular woman even has a dog as, she is
most certainly not using it.
and, yes, she does have a poodle for attention.
not only is the dog completely misbehaved but, she has a bunch of really
loud bells on it as well.  for what, i have no idea, other than to draw
attention to herself.  you can hear those things from a long distance.  lol.
i think that, no matter what we say, some folks just won't make their dogs
behave as they should.  in these cases, yes, i do wish that they would be
confronted by the owners of the restaurant or, whatever, and asked to either
get the dog under control or leave.
i'm all for it.  heh.

big mean
Vivianna
]
On Oct 27, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Darla via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Actually, just so everyone is on the same page, this is, at least, her
> second job; she has good travel vision.  In my experience, some of
> these handlers don't manage their dogs that well beceause they simply
> do not really "use the dog.  It is more of an attention-getter all
> round, but if you are legally blind, most schools will give you a dog,
> but I wish there was a way to determine that people with good travel
> vision will really allow their dogs to do the jobs for which they were
> trained.  If you don't want to have to manage your dog, now and again,
> then a person probably ought not have a dog.
>
> This dog is only a little over three, and I think he was about 18
> months when she got him.
>
> Anyway, I'll give a new handler a lot of latitude and help, but this
> woman was well-aware of her dog because she would pull him back when I
> told her the dog was on top of my dog who was lying there trying to be
> good.  I couldn't get him under the chairs at this venue.
> Darla & Handsome Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie
> via nagdu
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:53 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> (nagdu at nfbnet.org)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds
>
> Last week, Jenny - a black Lab - had a very bad day and was insanely
> over-distracted by my friend's guide dog. I had to basically
> physically restrain her while we were waiting outside to get into a gym we
had rented.
> I was so embarrassed, but I honestly didn't know what else to do.
> Thankfully, even the next day, she completely ignored the exact same
> guide dog, and ignored every single other dog we came in contact with
> for the next week.
>
> This having been said, I honestly think that more needs to be done to
> make sure that dogs behave, but if the dog is just having a very VERY
> bad day, a little grace might be an order if every effort has been
> made to make sure the dog is behaving and is, at the very least, under
control.
>
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vivianna via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:44:40 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds
>
> Hi,
> sadly, i fear you are correct.  i know of 3 folks with poodles and
> they are all handled very poorly.
> yes, they are intelligent dogs and can be good guides but, not with
> such poor management.
> just brings me back to the topic i brought up last week about what to
> do if i see someone whose dog is acting in an inappropriate manner for
> a guide dog.
> technically, the public place that you were in could have asked her to
> leave as, her dog was out of control and bothering others.
>
> Vivianna
>
> On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Darla via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> This may not be the correct subject line, so feel free to change it,
>> if appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was at a meeting Saturday where there were probably 7 guide dogs; I
>> sat at a table with someone I know who has a poodle.  Rather than
>> making it lie quietly it was at the end of its leash constantly
>> bothering my dog and every other dog it could get to.  All the
>> handler did was scold and pull the dog back-no leash correction; no
>> other command to give the dog something else to do.  I guess the
>> subject line
> should read "dog management."
>>
>>
>>
>> This handler has also had, at least one dog, before this poodle, but
>> I'm wondering if people are getting poodles more for the cuteness
>> factor than the great working dogs they are knowing people with
>> allergies who need a less allergy-producing dog are waiting for one.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure if there is a question here or not except to say that
>> this kind of behavior really honks me off, especially when the
>> handler really isn't making an effort to do anything about it.  Guess
>> next time I will move to a table where she'd have to crowd in to fit,
>> but I don't understand people getting a dog and allowing it to act
>> like a wild
> thing or something.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I do approach her-whether or not she likes me afterword is
>> immaterial-what have you all found that works.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I see  people handle dogs like she does, it makes me wish the
>> schools
>> **did** have more to day, but we need to police ourselves, and I want
>> it to stay that way.
>>
>>
>>
>> I should think, if I had a dog that really drew a lot of attention,
>> I'd try even harder to keep the dog close to me and under control and
>> as unobtrusive as possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for my grump session, but Huck really tried so hard to be good.
>> The handler closest to me also had a dog; if you didn't' possibly see
>> her, you'd have never known her dog was there, and she and I have had
>> lunch with the two dogs nose to nose under the table, and nobody knew
>> they
> were even there.
>>
>> Darla & Handsome Huck Who really does try to be good most of the time
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Darla J. Rogers M.S.
>>
>>
>>
>> Djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
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