[nagdu] Correcting dogs in public WAS Poodles and other Cute Breeds
Darla
djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 27 22:27:12 UTC 2014
Great post, Daryl; we all get a little louder with our dogs than we intend--well there may be a few who never correct or whatever--but scavenging is just plain not acceptable to me, and I'm going to do what I must to stop it--hence I now have a gentle leader and a Martingale collar--none of which was issued by my school but scavenge he does, and Big Momma isn't going to tolerate it.
Darla & Happy Huck
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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie via nagdu
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 2:11 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nagdu] Correcting dogs in public WAS Poodles and other Cute Breeds
I think it depends on what the dog was doing and what the owner was doing.
I have been in a situation where I was in a restaurant and Jenny found several bits of "ground candy" and kept on going for them. After the second time I told her firmly - perhaps louder than I planned to - to leave it, and then doubled her leash on itself so she was on a very short leash. This fixed the problem, and we went about our day.
Now, I can justify my actions to anyone - store owner, fellow guide dog handlers, what have you - but correcting your dog in public in and of itself can be construed as being "mean" to the poor dog.
Daryl
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From: Vivianna via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:00:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds
well, i would say that, just as you would not be slapping a child in public, you should not be outright abusing your dog in public. well, not in private either.
maybe he could have calmly told her that she was causing a scene and asked her to leave.
there’s no sense in that kind of dog handling either.
Vivianna
On Oct 27, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
> Now let me advance a hypothetical situation that is based on a
> conversation I had once.
> This is a true conversation a restaurant owner I spoke to said he was
> very impressed how calm I was with my dog?
> What, I thought?
> It seems a guide dog user had been in there who corrected the dog
> constantly and scolded the dog and was pretty unpleasant generally.
> He said that ever since then he had wondered about "these dogs" and
> the people who had them.
> Now, customers were apparently uncomfortable also seeing the person
> "yell at" and correct the dog.
> So, following your logic, would it be all right for the business owner
> to get in to a serious discussion with that lady? Or, is it only when
> the handler doesn't control the dog that you are concerned?
>
> It is hypothetical because the guy told me he didn't think he should
> talk to the woman because the dog was her means of getting around. So
> he didn't take her to task at all, he rather asked me why she was so
> harsh with the dog in my opinion. I tried to cut her some slack saying
> that there are different handling styles, nice diplomatic lack of an
> answer I think--lol
>
> This was an animal lover obviously as I am.
>
> Anyway, what would you have recommended the restaurant guy have done?
>
> Dan the man
>
> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna
> via nagdu
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:38 PM
> To: Darla; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds
>
> i have run into this same woman at the NFB national convention.
> she had that dog on the end of the leash and didn't even use the harness.
> it is very misbehaved. it's not just sniffing around, it is trying to
> mount the other dogs. when i asked her to please keep her dog away
> from mine her response was; oh, he's ok, he's just young.
> every single person that i have said anything to about their dog has
> brushed it off and done absolutely nothing.
> they don't care that their dogs are not under control.
> i really have no idea why this particular woman even has a dog as, she
> is most certainly not using it.
> and, yes, she does have a poodle for attention.
> not only is the dog completely misbehaved but, she has a bunch of
> really loud bells on it as well. for what, i have no idea, other than
> to draw attention to herself. you can hear those things from a long distance. lol.
> i think that, no matter what we say, some folks just won't make their
> dogs behave as they should. in these cases, yes, i do wish that they
> would be confronted by the owners of the restaurant or, whatever, and
> asked to either get the dog under control or leave.
> i'm all for it. heh.
>
> big mean
> Vivianna
> ]
> On Oct 27, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Darla via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Actually, just so everyone is on the same page, this is, at least,
>> her second job; she has good travel vision. In my experience, some
>> of these handlers don't manage their dogs that well beceause they
>> simply do not really "use the dog. It is more of an attention-getter
>> all round, but if you are legally blind, most schools will give you a
>> dog, but I wish there was a way to determine that people with good
>> travel vision will really allow their dogs to do the jobs for which
>> they were trained. If you don't want to have to manage your dog, now
>> and again, then a person probably ought not have a dog.
>>
>> This dog is only a little over three, and I think he was about 18
>> months when she got him.
>>
>> Anyway, I'll give a new handler a lot of latitude and help, but this
>> woman was well-aware of her dog because she would pull him back when
>> I told her the dog was on top of my dog who was lying there trying to
>> be good. I couldn't get him under the chairs at this venue.
>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl
>> Marie via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:53 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> (nagdu at nfbnet.org)
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds
>>
>> Last week, Jenny - a black Lab - had a very bad day and was insanely
>> over-distracted by my friend's guide dog. I had to basically
>> physically restrain her while we were waiting outside to get into a
>> gym we
> had rented.
>> I was so embarrassed, but I honestly didn't know what else to do.
>> Thankfully, even the next day, she completely ignored the exact same
>> guide dog, and ignored every single other dog we came in contact with
>> for the next week.
>>
>> This having been said, I honestly think that more needs to be done to
>> make sure that dogs behave, but if the dog is just having a very VERY
>> bad day, a little grace might be an order if every effort has been
>> made to make sure the dog is behaving and is, at the very least,
>> under
> control.
>>
>> Daryl
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Vivianna via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:44:40 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Poodles and other Cute Breeds
>>
>> Hi,
>> sadly, i fear you are correct. i know of 3 folks with poodles and
>> they are all handled very poorly.
>> yes, they are intelligent dogs and can be good guides but, not with
>> such poor management.
>> just brings me back to the topic i brought up last week about what to
>> do if i see someone whose dog is acting in an inappropriate manner
>> for a guide dog.
>> technically, the public place that you were in could have asked her
>> to leave as, her dog was out of control and bothering others.
>>
>> Vivianna
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Darla via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This may not be the correct subject line, so feel free to change it,
>>> if appropriate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was at a meeting Saturday where there were probably 7 guide dogs;
>>> I sat at a table with someone I know who has a poodle. Rather than
>>> making it lie quietly it was at the end of its leash constantly
>>> bothering my dog and every other dog it could get to. All the
>>> handler did was scold and pull the dog back-no leash correction; no
>>> other command to give the dog something else to do. I guess the
>>> subject line
>> should read "dog management."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This handler has also had, at least one dog, before this poodle, but
>>> I'm wondering if people are getting poodles more for the cuteness
>>> factor than the great working dogs they are knowing people with
>>> allergies who need a less allergy-producing dog are waiting for one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if there is a question here or not except to say that
>>> this kind of behavior really honks me off, especially when the
>>> handler really isn't making an effort to do anything about it.
>>> Guess next time I will move to a table where she'd have to crowd in
>>> to fit, but I don't understand people getting a dog and allowing it
>>> to act like a wild
>> thing or something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I do approach her-whether or not she likes me afterword is
>>> immaterial-what have you all found that works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I see people handle dogs like she does, it makes me wish the
>>> schools
>>> **did** have more to day, but we need to police ourselves, and I
>>> want it to stay that way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I should think, if I had a dog that really drew a lot of attention,
>>> I'd try even harder to keep the dog close to me and under control
>>> and as unobtrusive as possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for my grump session, but Huck really tried so hard to be good.
>>> The handler closest to me also had a dog; if you didn't' possibly
>>> see her, you'd have never known her dog was there, and she and I
>>> have had lunch with the two dogs nose to nose under the table, and
>>> nobody knew they
>> were even there.
>>>
>>> Darla & Handsome Huck Who really does try to be good most of the
>>> time
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Darla J. Rogers M.S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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