[nagdu] Service Dogs on Public Transportation was RE: Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to the blindandputting a dog in the trunk
Danielle Burton
danielleburton94 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 13 13:07:16 UTC 2014
well, in my own vehicle my dog is in the seat because I'm sorry, I but if she's in the floor you have no room for you or your dog. But í always take a towel or sheet if I ride in someone else's car whether shall
can get on the floor or not. It may not keep all the hair out but it certainly helps. I always offer to bring something for my dog to lay on. My family however, refuses to let me do that though.
Danielle and Willa
> On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree. In public places, there are places
> for humans and places for dogs. Of course, there are those places that
> neither dog nor human should be, such as in the trunk. Part of not getting
> the public annoyed with us is keeping our dogs in the dog places. And, no, I
> do not cram Lexia anywhere. If there is not enough room behind the driver's
> seat, I simply ask the driver to move the seat forward a little.
> And just because someone doesn't say anything about your dog on the seat
> does not mean that it is not bothering them and that they won't take it out
> on the next person after you.
>
> Nicole and Lexia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raven Tolliver [mailto:ravend729 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:56 AM
> To: Nicole Torcolini; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dogs on Public Transportation was RE: Uber sued
> for allegedly refusing rides to the blindandputting a dog in the trunk
>
> On buses and trains, my dog certainly remains on the floor. But in most
> taxis or cars, he rides on the seat right beside me. Many people seem to be
> all for cramming, crunching, and folding their dog up into uncomfortably
> tight spaces. I'm not. If there is plenty of room on the floor, I will of
> course put my dog there. But if not, he lays on the seat next to me, and I
> don't carry a towel unless it is raining. If anyone has ever objected to my
> dog being on the seat, they certainly never have asserted themselves.
>
>> On 9/11/14, Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Different people do different things. For me, Lexia rides on the floor
>> on all types of public transportation. The one time that she was not
>> on the floor was when I was in San Francisco on one of those open air
>> cable cars where there is a bench and a platform for your feet and
>> literally nowhere for a dog to sit or stand. On that one occasion,
>> Lexia rode in my lap. This was not according to plan.
>> I consider it inconsiderate and rude to let your dog ride on the seat
>> of a taxi, particularly if the seat is leather. Some people carry a
>> towel or blanket to put on the seat, but this is extra hassle for me.
>> Lexia rides on the floor behind the driver, and I ride behind the
>> passenger seat. If there is one other person, that person rides in the
>> front. If the taxi is full, I ride in the front with Lexia between my
>> legs. It is apparent that some of the taxi drivers whom I have met had
>> a dog ride on the seat at one point because they tell me not to put
>> the dog on the seat. One person even put newspaper on the seat.
>> On the shuttle that I take to and from work, there is enough room
>> that Lexia and I get a double seat to ourselves. Because there is not
>> time for seat hunting, I always sit in the same seat. Usually, it is
>> empty. If not, the driver asks the person to move.
>> Yes, we have laws, but that does not mean that they are followed.
>> And they are not easy to enforce, especially when the law enforcement
>> does not know about them.
>>
>> Nicole and Lexia
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D
>> Keeler via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:57 PM
>> To: Fatmir Seremeti; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>> Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to the
>> blindandputting a dog in the trunk
>>
>> Usually on the floor at your feet. In a larger car such as a van they
>> can sit in the back or beside you. And, sometimes in personal cars on the
> seat.
>>
>> This is not usually done in public transportation though. They also go
>> on busses. Iether under or slightly in front of the seat. Oh guys, the
>> stroller seats on some busses are great for dogs! When they're not
>> being used, I love them!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fatmir Seremeti via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Janice Toothman" <janice.toothman at verizon.net>; "NAGDU Mailing
>> List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to the
>> blind andputting a dog in the trunk
>>
>>
>>> Hi all!
>>> I wish we could have at least half of your ADA here in Sweden. I see
>>> guides riding in the trunk here all the time and if you complaint
>>> they just don't care. Just curious; are you guys in the US always
>>> aloud to have your guide beside you on a car-chair or on the flor?
>>> How do you do if the car is full or there isn't enough space on the
> flour?
>>> Here is also a lot of problems with businesses and public places
>>> denying guide-dog users access referring to allergies and no pet
>>> policies.
>>> Sorry for my maybe stupid questions but we seam to have a totaly
>>> different set of laws and regulations here.
>>> By the way I've been accepted to go to my first guide-dog
>>> introduction week in the end of October. I'm so exited!!!
>>> Med vänliga hälsningar / best regards Fatmir seremeti
>>> +46705103634
>>> www.goalballfatmir.blogg.se
>>> Twitter: @goalballfatmir
>>>
>>>
>>>> 11 sep 2014 kl. 23:45 skrev Janice Toothman via nagdu
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I have never used my guide dog school ID because I do not feel that
>>>> is what would help me out of a situation. It is explaining the
>>>> LAW-ADA and how it applies to the situation at hand. This is why
>>>> everyone as guide dog uses have to be well versed in th ADA law so
>>>> we know what the discrimination is and how to address.
>>>> Janice
>>>>> On 9/11/2014 1:31 PM, Amber M via nagdu wrote:
>>>>> Hi Abby,
>>>>> Before I say anything about the situation, I would like to say that
>>>>> this is just my opinion. So it is Benoni means correct, or upheld
>>>>> by majority. But... And I do reiterate, this is my opinion... When
>>>>> someone who attends a guy dog school shows an ID to get out of a
>>>>> stressful situation, they then make it difficult for the owner
>>>>> trained guy dog who comes after them. Because the business then
>>>>> expects that an ID will be shown, and can be expected.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will not pretend that it is easier to stand up for your rights
>>>>> when you are in a hurry, or when the person just doesn't seem to
>>>>> get it,
>> etc.
>>>>> etc. But just like you don't want a blind person who attends a
>>>>> school before you, to make you look like you are not capable of
>>>>> doing for yourself, and wished they would take that extra moment to
>>>>> do something for themselves, owner trainers have a really hard time
>>>>> going behind program trained dog handlers, who do tend to use their
>>>>> ID a
>> lot.
>>>>> Again, just my opinion, and by no means is it what everyone else
>>>>> believes.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Amber
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Abigail Bolling via nagdu
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem of explaining that the dog is a service animal, I
>>>>>> know this may sound harsh, but as far as I know, the service
>>>>>> animal schools give there handlers ID cards for a reason. A lot of
>>>>>> Dog users that I know refuse to carry them, to which my opinion is
>>>>>> a lot of situations could possibly be avoided just by showing an
>>>>>> ID card.
>>>>>> I know we shouldn't have to show an ID card to make our point and
>>>>>> it is certainly annoying, but sometimes it is just easier to go
>>>>>> that extra stupid step to save a little headache later.
>>>>>> Also, I know I said this on another post about this article, but
>>>>>> it is the responsibility of the handler to know where their dog is
>>>>>> at all times, so why did the handler let the dog be taken away
>>>>>> from him and placed in the trunk in the first place.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abby and my little Shadow, Jada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>>> Wright State University: Social Work
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let
>>>>>> the music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Ginger Kutsch via nagdu
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uber sued for allegedly refusing rides to the blind and putting a
>>>>>>> dog in the trunk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By Gail Sullivan September 10 Washington Post
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Source:
>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/10/uber
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> sued-for-a
>>>>>>> llegedly-refusing-rides-to-the-blind-and-putting-a-dog-in-the-tru
>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>> k/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An advocacy group for the blind is suing the app-based
>>>>>>> ride-sharing service Uber, alleging the company discriminates
>>>>>>> against passengers with service dogs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The federal civil rights suit filed Tuesday by the California
>>>>>>> chapter of the National Federation of the Blind cites instances
>>>>>>> in California and elsewhere when blind Uber customers summoned a
>>>>>>> car only to be refused a ride once the driver saw them with a
>>>>>>> service dog. In some cases, drivers allegedly abandoned blind
>>>>>>> travelers in extreme weather and charged cancellation fees after
>>>>>>> denying them rides, the complaint said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The complaint filed in a Northern California District Court cites
>>>>>>> one instance where a California UberX driver put a service dog in
>>>>>>> the trunk and refused to pull over when the blind passenger
>>>>>>> realized where the animal was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On another occasion a passenger was trying to explain that his
>>>>>>> dog was not a pet but a service animal when the driver allegedly
>>>>>>> cursed at him and accelerated abruptly, nearly injuring the dog
>>>>>>> and striking the passenger's friend, who is also blind, with an
>>>>>>> open car door.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The group said it's aware of more than 30 times blind customers
>>>>>>> were denied rides in violation of the American with Disabilities
>>>>>>> Act and California state law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a result, blind passengers are confronting unexpected delays
>>>>>>> and "face the degrading experience of being denied a basic
>>>>>>> service that is available to all other paying customers," the
>>>>>>> complaint said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Services such as Uber are quickly supplanting traditional taxis,
>>>>>>> a service blind people rely on due to the limitations of public
>>>>>>> transportation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind wants Uber to educate its
>>>>>>> drivers about disability rights and punish the violators in
>>>>>>> addition to providing a way for disabled passengers to
>>>>>>> immediately register complaints when they are refused rides
>>>>>>> because of service dogs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a statement reported by the San Francisco Examiner, Uber said
>>>>>>> its policy is to terminate drivers who refuse to transport
>>>>>>> service animals. "The Uber app is built to expand access to
>>>>>>> transportation options for all, including users with visual
>>>>>>> impairments and other disabilities," the statement said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, Uber allegedly told some passengers it can't control
>>>>>>> what drivers do because they are independent contractors. The
>>>>>>> company advised them to let drivers know about their animals
>>>>>>> ahead of time, said the Federation, which filed suit after Uber
>>>>>>> rejected its request to negotiate a solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The group claims the company closely monitors and controls its
>>>>>>> drivers by managing payments and services through the app, and by
>>>>>>> assessing driver performance based on customer feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In September 2013,California's Public Utilities Commission
>>>>>>> classified UberX as a transportation provider because it
>>>>>>> functions like a taxi dispatch. The commission also said that
>>>>>>> UberX may not discriminate against the disabled, the Federation
> noted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Figuring out whether to treat Uber like a traditional taxi
>>>>>>> service or something else is the subject of heated debate across the
> country.
>>>>>>> Taxi
>>>>>>> services are required by federal law to serve the disabled, even
>>>>>>> if drivers are independent contractors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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