[nagdu] Fake Service Dogs

Tue Aug 4 07:52:27 UTC 2015

Michael,
I understand these service dogs are already covered under the ADA, and
I am very familiar with what they can do for their handlers. I was
countering Sandra's point that service dogs should only be for those
with physical disabilities, or disabilities that are apparent.
Here's her  quote:
"It was sure easier when the laws were not so liberal, when the only
dogs allowed were guide, hearing or service dogs for physically
handicapped.  Then it was obvious the person was disabled. Now with
all the mentally ill claiming they need service dogs, it is almost
impossible for a business owner to know what to do or think."

My point:
Disabilities like autism, PTSD, and epilepsy are mental handicaps,
even though they have physical effects on a person. You can't tell a
person has any of these conditions just by watching them go about
their daily business. And because they are not apparent to the public,
the only true way to prove whether a person has a mental handicap is
if they present a doctor's note. Not saying that anyone should or has
to, just saying that you wouldn't be 100% certain of the truth
otherwise. I mean, outside of witnessing an episode, how could you
really know? Frankly, it shouldn't matter. Businesses should be
educated on what questions they can ask service dog handlers, and what
kinds of responses are legitimate.
Service dogs trained to work for these individuals perform fascinating
tasks, so we shouldn't go back to "the old way" where there were
strict limitations on who could have service dogs.
Hope that clears things up.
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>> -----Original Message----- From: S L Johnson via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 7:52 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: S L Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>
>> Hi Dan:
>>
>> Yes, it seems that all the nuts and crazy people are getting any old dog
>> and
>> claiming it is a service dog.  I say, lock the nuts up and keep their
>> poorly
>> behaved out of control dogs out of the public businesses and housing
>> where
>> the rest of us normal people want to live and work our real legal guide
>> hearing or service dogs.  It was sure easier when the laws were not so
>> liberal, when the only dogs allowed were guide, hearing or service dogs
>> for
>> physically handicapped.  Then it was obvious the person was disabled.
>> Now
>> with all the mentally ill claiming they need service dogs, it is almost
>> impossible for a business owner to know what to do or think.  I know in
>> my
>> area there have been some confusing cases of people claiming they were
>> disabled veterans with dogs for their PTSD.  Some of them admitted to
>> just
>> putting service dog identification on their pet dogs because they had the
>> right to be accompanied by a service dog.  Somehow the laws have to
>> clarify
>> this so any business or person will know who is really disabled and who
>> is
>> not.
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Dan Weiner via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:20 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Dan Weiner
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>
>> Am I imagining it or is everyone and his brother claiming to have a
>> disability and brinnging aa service animal or supposed one in places. It
>> used to be we had to go through quite an effort to gain training with our
>> guide or service dogs and then feel entitled to bring them with us
>> virtually
>> everywhere.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
>> Denning
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:17 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>
>> In order to be a service dog it must be trained to do a task.  In the
>> case
>> of PTSD, for example, it may help the woman get out of a situation that
>> is
>> causing extreme stress or protect her from other people if they are
>> pushing
>> in too close.  If the dog does not have a task then it is an assistance
>> or
>> emotional support dog and that is not covered under ADA.  If it is
>> business
>> owners who are asking you then you can tell them they can ask if the dog
>> is
>> trained to do a task and what task is it trained to do. I have seen guide
>> dogs that were trained at the best schools in the U.S. and they aren't
>> behaving well either.  Just because a dog is misbehaving doesn't mean it
>> isn't trained.  There are people who do not maintain t he training once
>> they
>> get home.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8/3/15, Miranda Morse via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello, In the last week I have been approached by two different
>>> individuals at different times about a woman in town who has PTSD and
>>> has a service dog.
>>> Their claims are that it is a fake service animal because of the way
>>> it acts in public. It is a great dane and I have seen it in public
>>> before and I would tend to agree.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to address this matter?
>>>
>>> Miranda
>>>
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>>
>> --
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