[nagdu] Nagdu dog ownership in other areas of the world
Elisabeth D'sylva-Clark
Lizdc at hotkey.net.au
Wed Aug 5 22:09:34 UTC 2015
Hi James, my name is Elisabeth and I am a recent seeing I'd dogs Australian graduate. Here in Australia, the dog guide schools own our guide dogs until they retire then we can take full ownership. I didn't have to pay to get my seeing eyed dog, but I do have to pay for her food, vet fees, some accessories, toys etc. I hope this answers some of your questions. If not, feel free to email me and ask some more. C my email address is
Lizdc at hotkey.net.au
Cheers, Elisabeth
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> 1. Fw: [msb-alumni] Confetti, the miniature guide horse
> (William Vandervest)
> 2. Recent seeing I'd dogs Australia graduate (Danielle Sykora)
> 3. Horrible flight experience (Jimmy)
> 4. Re: Fake Service Dogs (Aaron Cannon)
> 5. Re: Fake Service Dogs (Bridget Walker)
> 6. Re: Fake Service Dogs (Bridget Walker)
> 7. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Lisa)
> 8. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Tracy Carcione)
> 9. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Star Gazer)
> 10. Re: Fake Service Dogs (Bridget Walker)
> 11. Re: Walking in new territory (Star Gazer)
> 12. Re: Walking in new territory (Buddy Brannan)
> 13. a new dog (Sean Moore)
> 14. Re: a new dog (Joseph Weaver)
> 15. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Bonnie Mosen)
> 16. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Tina Thomas)
> 17. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Jody Ianuzzi)
> 18. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Bonnie Mosen)
> 19. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Buddy Brannan)
> 20. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Bonnie Mosen)
> 21. Re: Walking in new territory (Debby Phillips)
> 22. Emotional Support Animals on Planes (Debby Phillips)
> 23. Re: Fake Service Dogs (Debby Phillips)
> 24. Re: Be careful when someone says "you can"--lol (Debby Phillips)
> 25. Re: Dog ownership in other areas of the world (Jennifer Woods)
> 26. Re: Freeze Dried Dog Food (Raven Tolliver)
> 27. Debbie's walk in the snow, and snow in general (Dan Weiner)
> 28. Re: Fake Service Dogs (Mardi Hadfield)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 11:18:21 -0400
> From: "William Vandervest" <timelord09 at comcast.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Fw: [msb-alumni] Confetti, the miniature guide horse
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> not about guide dogs, but very cool
>
>
> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See
> William and LD Lynerd
> timelord09 at comcast.net
>
> From: Vickie
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:50 AM
> To: MSB Alumni
> Subject: [msb-alumni] Confetti, the miniature guide horse
>
>
> Thought some of you would find this of interest.
>
>
> Vickie
>
>
> I had the pleasure of interviewing our very own Cheryl Spencer. You may know
> her as the author of Spencer?s Spotlight for The Blind Perspective. She is
> quite knowledgeable about accessible devices, but she also knows a thing or
> two about guide horses. And, you may ask why this is? Well she is the proud
> owner of Confetti, her miniature guide horse.
>
> Going back a bit, Cheryl had had two previous German Shepard guide dogs,
> Tammy and Delta. After losing Delta she had decided that she didn?t want
> another guide dog. It was a very emotional time after losing her, ?the best
> dog ever,? Cheryl said. Going back to using her cane she realized that her
> cane skills were not that great.
>
> It was Cheryl?s sister and husband who first learned about miniature guide
> horses from an article they had read. Chris, her husband, read the article
> to Cheryl, and that peeked her interest. The process that Chris and Cheryl
> went through to obtain and train Confetti was a very long, tiresome,
> emotional, and frustrating one. There are many twists, turns, ups, and downs
> that they experienced. I have listed the major events leading up to Cheryl
> becoming the first owner trained guide horse.
>
> The Beginning:
> *May 2001: Cheryl was On the Guide Hoarse Foundation list at #74; she didn?t
> want to wait that long
> *They recommended her to find her own trainer, and they gave her a list of
> training details and what was needed in the field intelligence test
> Trainer:
> *After many failed attempts and just over one year, it was Chris? coworker?s
> daughter who was taking riding lessons from a horse trainer
> * Debbie King was looking for a Community Service Project, so she agreed to
> train the horse
> Miniature Horse:
> *June - July 2002; Searching via the internet and local horse related
> places: one hit from JBR Ranch in Christmas, FL
> The Meeting:
> *Debbie did the field intelligence on Confetti, she passed with flying
> colors
> Not so Quick:
> *The ranch wanted $3,000 for confetti; Chris and Cheryl did not have that
> kind of money
> *After many letters and talks the ranch accepted a gracious offer of a
> $3,000 tax write off from the Jacksonville Council of the Blind
> Oh No, Here We Go Again:
> *After 2 ? months of training Debbie quit
> *Contract with the ranch stated complete training or Confetti must be
> returned to the ranch
> *Looking all over again, local news station did a story on Cheryl and
> Confetti
> *March 2003; Gail Ray of Anthony, FL called and became the new trainer
>
> This simple list of steps they had to endure in order to get a trainer and
> Confetti, does not touch the pure emotional roller coaster they had to
> experience. While Cheryl was telling me the story in detail, I could hear
> how she was heartbroken, overwhelmed, saddened, relieved, and extremely
> happy.
>
> I asked Cheryl if there have been any challenges with Confetti. She and her
> husband initially thought that they would be faced with many access issues.
> But it was just the opposite. There was just one time at a small pizza shop.
> The owner didn?t say that they couldn?t come in, he requested that they not
> come in due to the small size and large crowd. Both Chris and Cheryl agreed
> with the owner. Cheryl added that she thinks that people are more afraid of
> dogs than horses, and that may be a reason while sometimes access is denied
> for guide dog users.
>
> Ironically, when Cheryl started this adventure in May of 2001, call it
> coincidence or not, that is when Confetti was born. JBR Princess Confetti,
> her full name, was born on the JBR Ranch in Christmas, Florida on May 10,
> 2001. She is a Leopard Appaloosa Miniature Horse.
>
> Confetti was bred to be a show horse. She may be a guide horse, but she sure
> knows how to flaunt her stuff! She stands 29 ? inches from her whither (s
> shoulders), and weighs 185 pounds. She is 30 inches from her chest to her
> tail. Confetti?s base coat is white with different size Carmel spots. She
> has a red tail and her forelock is red as well. Her mane is white. From her
> knees down is red.
>
> She really looks like one of those horses you see on a merry go round. She
> is definitely a crowd stopper Cheryl says. Which led me to ask her what are
> the pros to having a guide horse as to having a guide dog? Cheryl, without
> hesitation said that she, that being Confetti, is popular. She went on to
> add that the cons of having a guide horse as oppose to a guide dog is that
> once again, she is popular.
>
> Confetti wears a halster in place of a collar. She has reigns instead of a
> leash. Her harness is similar to a guide dog?s harness. Other than it being
> larger, it has a V cut out where the bone sticks out from her withers. She
> is seen by a local vet to maintain her health. A farrier takes care of her
> hooves. And, she also has her own dentist to care for her teeth and an
> overbite.
>
> Confetti has traveled by car, minivan, cruise ship, and plane. Cheryl and
> Chris made modifications to their minivan for Confetti. They had the
> passenger back seat removed. Confetti jumps in and stands in the center of
> the van with her head between the driver and the front passenger. She can
> stand in a car too. She has been a passenger in a Honda Prelude, by just
> standing parallel to the front seats. As you can imagine, Confetti prefers
> the minivan over any car.
>
> Confetti sleeping quarters are in a closet. Actually Confetti stands in the
> center area doorway of a pass through closet. This is also her safe place.
> She will go there when she knows she has done something wrong. Usually
> Confetti will stand, but in this area she will lie down if she feels like
> it. When she dreams she can be heard neighing or whinnying, and her hooves
> are moving too!
>
> Confetti eats forage feed. This is comprised of compressed hay with the
> added nutrients that are good for her to maintain maximum health. Also,
> Confetti will not give up a nice field of grass or vegetables. Her all time
> favorite are bananas. Like a child, she too likes snacks. At the time of
> this interview, Fig Newtons are on the top of her list. Some other things
> she likes to eat are, mints, candy, crackers, and whatever may be in your
> pocket.
>
> You may have heard of a doggy door, and yes, Cheryl has a horse door for
> Confetti. This allows Confetti to access the yard as needed. Cheryl also has
> three cats. Confetti and all of the cats do get along. Cheryl says that they
> chase each other around while outside.
>
> I would like to conclude this article with a few Funny jokes and stories
> Cheryl shared with me about Confetti while out in public.
> *We have to give Confetti cough syrup because she is a little hoarse.
> *We can't play hide and seek with Confetti because she is always spotted.
> *Confetti is always clean but she is never spotless.
> *Funny- While traveling on a plane with Confetti, Cheryl heard a man say, ?I
> haven?t even had a drink and I am seeing a horse on a plane.?
> Cute-*While in a checkout line at the grocery store, Cheryl overheard the
> following exchange between a little girl and her mother.
> Girl; Mommy, I know what kind of horse that is.
> Mom; What kind sweetie?
> Girl; It is a Dalmatian horse.
> *Humor- Sometimes Cheryl, and her late husband would have fun with curious
> people. For example, when in a store a young boy while pointing to Confetti,
> asked if it was real. Either Chris or Cheryl would simply replied, ?No
> actually she has a slot on her side and when you put a quarter in it she
> will go another 30 minutes.?
> And to this, the boy called out to his mother, ?Can I have a quarter??
> *Interesting- A comment from a shopper a she walks around the corner and
> sees Confetti. ?That?s an interesting way of getting around ?no dogs
> allowed.?
> *Educational- Again while in a store with Confetti, a dad asks if his two
> girls could pet Confetti. Of course, Cheryl says yes. While his girls
> happily pet Confetti the dad says, ?You?re making the best of your situation
> and you are also bringing other people joy.?
>
> If you would like to read more about Cheryl and Confetti all you need to do
> is google, ?guide horse Confetti in Florida?, there is a lot of material
> written about the pair. My thanks to Cheryl for allowing me to interview her
> about the struggles and successes of getting her guide horse, Confetti.
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 12:01:59 -0400
> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Recent seeing I'd dogs Australia graduate
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> Welcome back to the list. I am currently working my first dog, a male
> Lab/Golden cross from the Guide Dog Foundation. I use a bag to pick up
> after my dog, mainly because I don't want to carry around more
> equipment than I truly need. I think a toileting harness isn't exactly
> necessary in most cases, but could definitely be helpful for people
> who have difficulty bending/maintaining balance and/or dogs who move
> around while relieving. Of course, this is a personal choice and I
> hope you find the method that works best for you.
>
> Danielle, Thai, and Bonnie (GDF puppy in training)
>
>> On 8/4/15, Tara Briggs via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Elizabeth, congratulations on your new dog! Could someone please tell me
>> what a toileting harness is?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Elizabeth, and welcome back to the list.
>>> I am Cindy Lou Ray with a dog from The Seeing Eye in Morristown, New
>>> Jersey.
>>> I have never acquired a toileting harness, though I can see advantage to
>>> it.
>>> I pick up after my dog with a bag, but there would be times when that
>>> harness would be a good thing.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elisabeth
>>> D'sylva-Clark via nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 4:33 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Elisabeth D'sylva-Clark <Lizdc at hotkey.net.au>
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Recent seeing I'd dogs Australia graduate
>>>
>>> Hello, my name is Elisabeth. I was subscribed to this list last year but
>>> the
>>> email account I had has been deactivated since then. So, I'm
>>> reintroducing
>>> myself again. For any of you who remember my first email last year, I was
>>> a
>>> cane user, but now I am a recent graduate of the seeing-eyed dogs
>>> Australia
>>> training program and I have a new guidedog named Lacey. She is a black
>>> Labrador and although I have only been with her for two weeks, I really
>>> love
>>> her.
>>> Anyway, I have a question I would really like to ask. When toileting your
>>> guide dogs, do you use a toilet harness or do you use a bag to pick up
>>> the
>>> waste.
>>> Hope to hear from you soon.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 11:03:55 -0500
> From: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> To: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Horrible flight experience
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>
> KRGV
> KRGV ?Apparently the corporate philosophy was, they weren't going to fly a service dog,? Hawn said. Hawn and Savior are now stuck in McAllen.?
>
>
>
> James Alan Boehm
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> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>
> James Alan Boehm
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> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> Refer NFB correspondences to:
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> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 11:06:57 -0500
> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
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> Hi Miranda.
>
> I would also encourage you to pass along the phone number for the
> NAGDU hotline. The service isn't just for handlers.
>
> 1-888-NAGDU-411 or 1-888-624-3841
>
> Aaron
>
>> On 8/3/15, Miranda Morse via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you Marion I will pass this on.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:36 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Marion Gwizdala
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>
>> Miranda,
>>
>> Attached are the implementing regulations of the ADA. It clearly
>> states that, if the animal is out of control and the handler does not take
>> effective action to correct the behavior, a place of public accommodation
>> is
>> within its rights to deny her the right to be accompanied by the service
>> dog; however, they must allow her access without the dog being present.
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda Morse
>> via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:18 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Miranda Morse
>> Subject: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>
>> Hello, In the last week I have been approached by two different individuals
>> at different times about a woman in town who has PTSD and has a service
>> dog.
>> Their claims are that it is a fake service animal because of the way it
>> acts
>> in public. It is a great dane and I have seen it in public before and I
>> would tend to agree.
>>
>> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to address this matter?
>>
>> Miranda
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 12:49:57 -0400
> From: Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
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> Hi Raven and all,
> I need to specify one thing that was stated. It might seem I'm getting picky but, I feel it is important. Epilepsy is a neurological seizure disorder not a mental disorder. Although people with some types of seizures may have symptoms that are psychological, it is not the case for every person with seizures.
> I'm sure we wouldn't like it if people assumed every person lost their vision due to glaucoma because glaucoma is just one type of vision loss.
> Please be careful when grouping disorders. Psychiatric disorders are disorders like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and PTSD.
> Neurological disorders are disorders like epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and traumatic brain injury.
> Bridget
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 4, 27 Heisei, at 12:06 PM, Aaron Cannon via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Miranda.
>>
>> I would also encourage you to pass along the phone number for the
>> NAGDU hotline. The service isn't just for handlers.
>>
>> 1-888-NAGDU-411 or 1-888-624-3841
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>> On 8/3/15, Miranda Morse via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Thank you Marion I will pass this on.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> via nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:36 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Marion Gwizdala
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>>
>>> Miranda,
>>>
>>> Attached are the implementing regulations of the ADA. It clearly
>>> states that, if the animal is out of control and the handler does not take
>>> effective action to correct the behavior, a place of public accommodation
>>> is
>>> within its rights to deny her the right to be accompanied by the service
>>> dog; however, they must allow her access without the dog being present.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda Morse
>>> via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:18 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Miranda Morse
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>>
>>> Hello, In the last week I have been approached by two different individuals
>>> at different times about a woman in town who has PTSD and has a service
>>> dog.
>>> Their claims are that it is a fake service animal because of the way it
>>> acts
>>> in public. It is a great dane and I have seen it in public before and I
>>> would tend to agree.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to address this matter?
>>>
>>> Miranda
>>>
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>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 12:49:57 -0400
> From: Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
> Message-ID: <5AC036DA-E43A-4D92-886D-230D4FCA072E at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Raven and all,
> I need to specify one thing that was stated. It might seem I'm getting picky but, I feel it is important. Epilepsy is a neurological seizure disorder not a mental disorder. Although people with some types of seizures may have symptoms that are psychological, it is not the case for every person with seizures.
> I'm sure we wouldn't like it if people assumed every person lost their vision due to glaucoma because glaucoma is just one type of vision loss.
> Please be careful when grouping disorders. Psychiatric disorders are disorders like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and PTSD.
> Neurological disorders are disorders like epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and traumatic brain injury.
> Bridget
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 4, 27 Heisei, at 12:06 PM, Aaron Cannon via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Miranda.
>>
>> I would also encourage you to pass along the phone number for the
>> NAGDU hotline. The service isn't just for handlers.
>>
>> 1-888-NAGDU-411 or 1-888-624-3841
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>> On 8/3/15, Miranda Morse via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Thank you Marion I will pass this on.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> via nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:36 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Marion Gwizdala
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>>
>>> Miranda,
>>>
>>> Attached are the implementing regulations of the ADA. It clearly
>>> states that, if the animal is out of control and the handler does not take
>>> effective action to correct the behavior, a place of public accommodation
>>> is
>>> within its rights to deny her the right to be accompanied by the service
>>> dog; however, they must allow her access without the dog being present.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda Morse
>>> via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:18 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Miranda Morse
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>>
>>> Hello, In the last week I have been approached by two different individuals
>>> at different times about a woman in town who has PTSD and has a service
>>> dog.
>>> Their claims are that it is a fake service animal because of the way it
>>> acts
>>> in public. It is a great dane and I have seen it in public before and I
>>> would tend to agree.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to address this matter?
>>>
>>> Miranda
>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 19:07:30 +0200
> From: "Lisa" <dreamymarmot93 at yahoo.de>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
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>
> Hi Jimmy,
>
> here in Germany health insurance companies pay for our guide dogs. So
> normally, they have ownership of the dogs until they retire. When they
> retire, they become "normal dogs" (you know what I mean, not working dogs
> anymore) and either the former guide dog handler or someone else can take
> ownership of them.
> There are a few health insurance companies that give ownership to the guide
> dog handler after graduation but that's very rare over here.
>
> Lisa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmy via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Jimmy" <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:06 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
>
>> Good evening friends!
>> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in
>> other parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as I
>> wonder if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
>> Refer NFB correspondences to:
>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>
>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:18:36 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> Message-ID: <4d1c0730ceeb542eb039dc24fb83d455.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Lisa.
> I'm trying to get my head around my health insurance company owning my
> dog. If they decide to take it away from the handler, what happens to it?
> Here, health insurance companies are giant mega-corporations. As a
> business, they'd have no idea what to do with an actual living creature in
> their care.
> Tracy
>
>> Hi Jimmy,
>>
>> here in Germany health insurance companies pay for our guide dogs. So
>> normally, they have ownership of the dogs until they retire. When they
>> retire, they become "normal dogs" (you know what I mean, not working dogs
>> anymore) and either the former guide dog handler or someone else can take
>> ownership of them.
>> There are a few health insurance companies that give ownership to the
>> guide
>> dog handler after graduation but that's very rare over here.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jimmy via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Jimmy" <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:06 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>>
>>
>>> Good evening friends!
>>> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in
>>> other parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as
>>> I
>>> wonder if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>>>
>>> James Alan Boehm
>>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
>>> Refer NFB correspondences to:
>>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>>
>>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:24:46 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> Message-ID: <00ed01d0cee2$d7c706e0$875514a0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'd like to know this too.
> Also, Lisa you mentioned that some health insurance companies give ownership
> to the handler? How would one get on such a plan?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 2:19 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Hi Lisa.
> I'm trying to get my head around my health insurance company owning my dog.
> If they decide to take it away from the handler, what happens to it?
> Here, health insurance companies are giant mega-corporations. As a
> business, they'd have no idea what to do with an actual living creature in
> their care.
> Tracy
>
>> Hi Jimmy,
>>
>> here in Germany health insurance companies pay for our guide dogs. So
>> normally, they have ownership of the dogs until they retire. When they
>> retire, they become "normal dogs" (you know what I mean, not working
>> dogs
>> anymore) and either the former guide dog handler or someone else can
>> take ownership of them.
>> There are a few health insurance companies that give ownership to the
>> guide dog handler after graduation but that's very rare over here.
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jimmy via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Jimmy" <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:06 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>>
>>
>>> Good evening friends!
>>> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in
>>> other parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask
>>> as I
>>> wonder if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>>>
>>> James Alan Boehm
>>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences
>>> to:
>>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>>
>>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
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>>> ahoo.de
>>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 12:49:57 -0400
> From: Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
> Message-ID: <5AC036DA-E43A-4D92-886D-230D4FCA072E at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Raven and all,
> I need to specify one thing that was stated. It might seem I'm getting picky but, I feel it is important. Epilepsy is a neurological seizure disorder not a mental disorder. Although people with some types of seizures may have symptoms that are psychological, it is not the case for every person with seizures.
> I'm sure we wouldn't like it if people assumed every person lost their vision due to glaucoma because glaucoma is just one type of vision loss.
> Please be careful when grouping disorders. Psychiatric disorders are disorders like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and PTSD.
> Neurological disorders are disorders like epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and traumatic brain injury.
> Bridget
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 4, 27 Heisei, at 12:06 PM, Aaron Cannon via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Miranda.
>>
>> I would also encourage you to pass along the phone number for the
>> NAGDU hotline. The service isn't just for handlers.
>>
>> 1-888-NAGDU-411 or 1-888-624-3841
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>> On 8/3/15, Miranda Morse via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Thank you Marion I will pass this on.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> via nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:36 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Marion Gwizdala
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>>
>>> Miranda,
>>>
>>> Attached are the implementing regulations of the ADA. It clearly
>>> states that, if the animal is out of control and the handler does not take
>>> effective action to correct the behavior, a place of public accommodation
>>> is
>>> within its rights to deny her the right to be accompanied by the service
>>> dog; however, they must allow her access without the dog being present.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda Morse
>>> via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:18 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Cc: Miranda Morse
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
>>>
>>> Hello, In the last week I have been approached by two different individuals
>>> at different times about a woman in town who has PTSD and has a service
>>> dog.
>>> Their claims are that it is a fake service animal because of the way it
>>> acts
>>> in public. It is a great dane and I have seen it in public before and I
>>> would tend to agree.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to address this matter?
>>>
>>> Miranda
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 16:29:43 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Walking in new territory
> Message-ID: <020c01d0cef4$4c4e0cf0$e4ea26d0$@gmail.com>
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>
> Exactly Buddy. I've used the physics
> argument many times and people just look blank like they expect that it will
> somehow be different because they want it to be.
> Why don't other schools mention the 30 miles per hour and dogs reliably
> judging traffic?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> nagdu
> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 10:17 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Walking in new territory
>
> Bloody hell! There are some times where it's just not safe to walk with
> cane, dog, or working eyeballs, and I think your whole route, both ways,
> sounds like just such a time. Suck it up and call a cab.
>
> Remember, too, that our dogs can't reliably judge traffic over about 30 MPH.
> As far as I know, none of the schools, apart from the Seeing Eye, which has
> the most comprehensive traffic training out, and by extension, the most
> comprehensive traffic lectures out, will tell you this. To put this into
> perspective, at 30 miles an hour, a car takes maybe two seconds to travel
> 200 feet. Something like that, I'd have to review said traffic lecture.
> Point is, a pretty damned far piece, for a pedestrian, in a really really
> short amount of time. You canna' change the laws of physics, laws of
> physics, Jim! Speaking of which, physics always wins. You, the pedestrian,
> will always lose, in a contest with a truck.
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Lori Dent via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Rick and I were talking about Gipp and me walking from my grandmother's
> house to Wal Mart. When I leave my grandmother's house in her allotment it's
> about a four block walk with no sidewalks to get to the closest main
> street, route 43. When I come out to route 43 there's no safe way to cross
> the street. Traffic from my left is just coming over a hill. I would have
> to turn right and walk , with traffic, for about a half mile to get to the
> first major intersection which is route 18. In fact that's the first
> street.
>>
>> Once I come up to route 18 and route 43 it's a light controlled
> intersection. I would need to turn left to cross over route 43. Once Gipp
> and I cross over route 43 we will be walking down route 18 against traffic
> without any sidewalks for about a mile and a half, maybe 2 miles.
>>
>> About a quarter mile before I get to Wal Mart it starts to get
> interesting. I first have to cross an exit from interstate 76. luckily it's
> light controlled. A little further on we have an entrance to interstate 76 .
> Again light controlled. The last little bit I have to cross is a business
> area that has a bunch of small shops and three or four graveled entrances.
> Then I come up to the entrance to the Wall Mart lot. Then I turn left. Not
> one sidewalk the entire time.
>>
>> Walking back to my grandmother's house from Wal Mart I will have to walk
> with traffic on route 18. Rick explained to me why it would be extremely
> unsafe to cross route 18 and walk against traffic. First it would be
> crossing route 18 in front of Wal Mart. Even though there's a light there
> are no markings to cross. But that's not the hard part. About a quarter
> mile up I would have to cross an exit from interstate 76 and Mogadore Road.
> Traffic coming off of Mogadore Road and I-76 will enter route 18 at about a
> 45 degree angle. Traffic moves very fast there, there's no markings to
> cross and no light. It's extremely unsafe and Rick said he wouldn't try to
> cross it and he's sighted.
>>
>> Rick says there might be a way to cross. This is going to be hard to
> explain so bare with me. I could stay on the exit from I-76 facing traffic,
> for about 200 feet. There is a traffic light at that point. It would be very
> difficult to work with traffic . Whether or not traffic from I-76 has a red
> light traffic from Mogadore Road is making continuous right hand turns. The
> drivers are watching the I-76 traffic to see if they can beat somebody out.
> They never look to the right.
>>
>> Providing I can cross at this light I would walk about 50 feet, with
> traffic, so that I can cross at the next light. Traffic coming through this
> light is either coming straight from Mogadore Road or making a left turn
> from I-76. Turning traffic could be coming down the ramp at least 40 miles
> per hour and would not be able to see me until they made the turn with no
> time to stop.
>>
>> Because of this one area Rick thinks it would be safer to walk home with
> traffic.
>>
>> I've talked to Rick about maybe having a trainer come out and look at this
> area to see what he or she thinks. do you think I should ask for a trainer
> to come out or go by what Rick suggested?
>>
>> Lori and the Gipper
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 16:34:53 -0400
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Walking in new territory
> Message-ID: <E98CB10C-6820-43B7-9BBD-DD01B7048BEF at brannan.name>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I really don't know why they don't mention it. Is it because they haven't done the research? Is it because "it's just not that important"? No idea. No one else has told me that their school mentioned anything of the kind, and I know when I got Karl from GDB in 1996, they never mentioned it. About all we got on traffic was "Oh, your dog will watch for traffic and check you if there is any, either by stopping, slowing, or backing up". OK, that's great. Then we had a day devoted to set up traffic checks. At Seeing Eye, traffic was integral to the whole experience, and we had set up checks starting on the second day of training and continuing throughout. Along with a very thorough traffic seminar, including the above mentioned traffic judging limitations and stresses on how traffic training can easily be undone and so on.
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly Buddy. I've used the physics
>> argument many times and people just look blank like they expect that it will
>> somehow be different because they want it to be.
>> Why don't other schools mention the 30 miles per hour and dogs reliably
>> judging traffic?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 10:17 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Walking in new territory
>>
>> Bloody hell! There are some times where it's just not safe to walk with
>> cane, dog, or working eyeballs, and I think your whole route, both ways,
>> sounds like just such a time. Suck it up and call a cab.
>>
>> Remember, too, that our dogs can't reliably judge traffic over about 30 MPH.
>> As far as I know, none of the schools, apart from the Seeing Eye, which has
>> the most comprehensive traffic training out, and by extension, the most
>> comprehensive traffic lectures out, will tell you this. To put this into
>> perspective, at 30 miles an hour, a car takes maybe two seconds to travel
>> 200 feet. Something like that, I'd have to review said traffic lecture.
>> Point is, a pretty damned far piece, for a pedestrian, in a really really
>> short amount of time. You canna' change the laws of physics, laws of
>> physics, Jim! Speaking of which, physics always wins. You, the pedestrian,
>> will always lose, in a contest with a truck.
>>
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Lori Dent via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Rick and I were talking about Gipp and me walking from my grandmother's
>> house to Wal Mart. When I leave my grandmother's house in her allotment it's
>> about a four block walk with no sidewalks to get to the closest main
>> street, route 43. When I come out to route 43 there's no safe way to cross
>> the street. Traffic from my left is just coming over a hill. I would have
>> to turn right and walk , with traffic, for about a half mile to get to the
>> first major intersection which is route 18. In fact that's the first
>> street.
>>>
>>> Once I come up to route 18 and route 43 it's a light controlled
>> intersection. I would need to turn left to cross over route 43. Once Gipp
>> and I cross over route 43 we will be walking down route 18 against traffic
>> without any sidewalks for about a mile and a half, maybe 2 miles.
>>>
>>> About a quarter mile before I get to Wal Mart it starts to get
>> interesting. I first have to cross an exit from interstate 76. luckily it's
>> light controlled. A little further on we have an entrance to interstate 76 .
>> Again light controlled. The last little bit I have to cross is a business
>> area that has a bunch of small shops and three or four graveled entrances.
>> Then I come up to the entrance to the Wall Mart lot. Then I turn left. Not
>> one sidewalk the entire time.
>>>
>>> Walking back to my grandmother's house from Wal Mart I will have to walk
>> with traffic on route 18. Rick explained to me why it would be extremely
>> unsafe to cross route 18 and walk against traffic. First it would be
>> crossing route 18 in front of Wal Mart. Even though there's a light there
>> are no markings to cross. But that's not the hard part. About a quarter
>> mile up I would have to cross an exit from interstate 76 and Mogadore Road.
>> Traffic coming off of Mogadore Road and I-76 will enter route 18 at about a
>> 45 degree angle. Traffic moves very fast there, there's no markings to
>> cross and no light. It's extremely unsafe and Rick said he wouldn't try to
>> cross it and he's sighted.
>>>
>>> Rick says there might be a way to cross. This is going to be hard to
>> explain so bare with me. I could stay on the exit from I-76 facing traffic,
>> for about 200 feet. There is a traffic light at that point. It would be very
>> difficult to work with traffic . Whether or not traffic from I-76 has a red
>> light traffic from Mogadore Road is making continuous right hand turns. The
>> drivers are watching the I-76 traffic to see if they can beat somebody out.
>> They never look to the right.
>>>
>>> Providing I can cross at this light I would walk about 50 feet, with
>> traffic, so that I can cross at the next light. Traffic coming through this
>> light is either coming straight from Mogadore Road or making a left turn
>> from I-76. Turning traffic could be coming down the ramp at least 40 miles
>> per hour and would not be able to see me until they made the turn with no
>> time to stop.
>>>
>>> Because of this one area Rick thinks it would be safer to walk home with
>> traffic.
>>>
>>> I've talked to Rick about maybe having a trainer come out and look at this
>> area to see what he or she thinks. do you think I should ask for a trainer
>> to come out or go by what Rick suggested?
>>>
>>> Lori and the Gipper
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 18:20:35 -0400
> From: Sean Moore <seanmoore87 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog
> Message-ID: <F2A47031-FB7C-4D63-B5C9-160954B9AD94 at gmail.com>
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> So today is dog day , the second day here at Southeastern,
>
> I was matched with a yellow lab, male, (name withheld by Southeastern guide lines)) but so far he?s good, though I wanted another black lab male, I guess a yellow lab and being a male is half of what I wanted.
>
> He?s more love me, then Franklin is, he wags his tail at a good boy and gives kisses, so all good things.
>
> I?ll update when I can
>
> Sean and the mystery yellow dog.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 18:32:52 -0400
> From: Joseph Weaver <josephwweaver at icloud.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog
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> Congratulations, on the new baby, can't wait to meet him.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Sean Moore via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> So today is dog day , the second day here at Southeastern,
>>
>> I was matched with a yellow lab, male, (name withheld by Southeastern guide lines)) but so far he?s good, though I wanted another black lab male, I guess a yellow lab and being a male is half of what I wanted.
>>
>> He?s more love me, then Franklin is, he wags his tail at a good boy and gives kisses, so all good things.
>>
>> I?ll update when I can
>>
>> Sean and the mystery yellow dog.
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:21:00 +1200
> From: "Bonnie Mosen" <bonnie at mosen.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> Message-ID: <0d0501d0cf0c$3afd9980$b0f8cc80$@mosen.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Jimmy and others. This is a very interesting topic. I am an American
> living in New Zealand and brought my dog from The Seeing Eye over with me
> when I moved here in 2013. We have one school here in New Zealand--operated
> as part of the Blind Foundation. My understanding is they do not offer
> ownership: however, at one time, they did, but the guide dog instructors
> lobbied against it. As part of working a dog in NZ, I had to get Lizzie
> certified by the NZ school and have to have an instructor recertify her each
> year. As someone, who has always had ownership of her dog, this was a tough
> thing to get my head around.
>
> Cheers
> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:07 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Good evening friends!
> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in other
> parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as I wonder
> if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>
> James Alan Boehm
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>
> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 16:24:30 -0700
> From: "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> Message-ID: <13dd01d0cf0c$b764fb30$262ef190$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello Bonnie- Could you tell us more about how the certification and
> recertification process works in NZ.
> Thank you.
> Tina and the pointy ear princesses
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Mosen via
> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:21 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Bonnie Mosen
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Hi Jimmy and others. This is a very interesting topic. I am an American
> living in New Zealand and brought my dog from The Seeing Eye over with me
> when I moved here in 2013. We have one school here in New Zealand--operated
> as part of the Blind Foundation. My understanding is they do not offer
> ownership: however, at one time, they did, but the guide dog instructors
> lobbied against it. As part of working a dog in NZ, I had to get Lizzie
> certified by the NZ school and have to have an instructor recertify her each
> year. As someone, who has always had ownership of her dog, this was a tough
> thing to get my head around.
>
> Cheers
> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:07 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Good evening friends!
> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in other
> parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as I wonder
> if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>
> James Alan Boehm
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>
> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 20:43:14 -0400
> From: Jody Ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> Message-ID: <E2F2FA84-C60C-4AAB-B04E-B361BBA00E06 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hello Bonnie
>
> Do you have to quarantine your dog like you do other animals going into New Zealand?
>
> JODY ?
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>
> "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes." DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
>
>
>
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Bonnie Mosen via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jimmy and others. This is a very interesting topic. I am an American
>> living in New Zealand and brought my dog from The Seeing Eye over with me
>> when I moved here in 2013. We have one school here in New Zealand--operated
>> as part of the Blind Foundation. My understanding is they do not offer
>> ownership: however, at one time, they did, but the guide dog instructors
>> lobbied against it. As part of working a dog in NZ, I had to get Lizzie
>> certified by the NZ school and have to have an instructor recertify her each
>> year. As someone, who has always had ownership of her dog, this was a tough
>> thing to get my head around.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:07 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>>
>> Good evening friends!
>> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in other
>> parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as I wonder
>> if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>
>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:50:52 +1200
> From: "Bonnie Mosen" <bonnie at mosen.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> Message-ID: <0d0e01d0cf18$c9c59bc0$5d50d340$@mosen.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Jody, Lizzie had to go into a home quarantine--meaning she could stay in the house with us until the government vet cleared her. The quarantine lasts for ten days. Other animals have to stay at a facility, but because she is a service animal she was allowed in the home and in the cabin of air New Zealand on the trip over. Funnily, before I arrived, the Ministry of Primary Industries--our USDA sent the vet out to make sure the house was suitable for quarantine. I had to pick up after her--which I do anyway and flush the poop down the toilet, as they didn't want it going into the soil until she was cleared. I went to the States for a visit a few months ago, and she still had to be in home quarantine upon my return, but I didn't get the warning about the poop this time. Smile
>
> Cheers
> Bonnie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody Ianuzzi via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:43 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jody Ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Hello Bonnie
>
> Do you have to quarantine your dog like you do other animals going into New Zealand?
>
> JODY ?
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>
> "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes." DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
>
>
>
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Bonnie Mosen via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jimmy and others. This is a very interesting topic. I am an
>> American living in New Zealand and brought my dog from The Seeing Eye
>> over with me when I moved here in 2013. We have one school here in New
>> Zealand--operated as part of the Blind Foundation. My understanding
>> is they do not offer
>> ownership: however, at one time, they did, but the guide dog
>> instructors lobbied against it. As part of working a dog in NZ, I had
>> to get Lizzie certified by the NZ school and have to have an
>> instructor recertify her each year. As someone, who has always had
>> ownership of her dog, this was a tough thing to get my head around.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:07 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>>
>> Good evening friends!
>> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in
>> other parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as I wonder
>> if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>
>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 20:54:15 -0400
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> Message-ID: <7BD9C181-1240-4F10-8ACF-E4762D389DC7 at brannan.name>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> Wow...the trainers lobbied against ownership? I know Jewel mentioned that she'd had an easier time getting her dog certified in the past than she has lately. That's just amazing.
>
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Bonnie Mosen via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jimmy and others. This is a very interesting topic. I am an American
>> living in New Zealand and brought my dog from The Seeing Eye over with me
>> when I moved here in 2013. We have one school here in New Zealand--operated
>> as part of the Blind Foundation. My understanding is they do not offer
>> ownership: however, at one time, they did, but the guide dog instructors
>> lobbied against it. As part of working a dog in NZ, I had to get Lizzie
>> certified by the NZ school and have to have an instructor recertify her each
>> year. As someone, who has always had ownership of her dog, this was a tough
>> thing to get my head around.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:07 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>>
>> Good evening friends!
>> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in other
>> parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as I wonder
>> if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>
>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 13:10:05 +1200
> From: "Bonnie Mosen" <bonnie at mosen.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> Message-ID: <0d1701d0cf1b$78ccd1e0$6a6675a0$@mosen.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Tina and all. Trying to remember how it all worked. Smile
> As New Zealand is a rabies free country with an agricultural based
> economy--we have more sheep than people, they are understandably extremely
> strict about animals coming into the country.
>
> It was a six month process with tons of paperwork and tests to get Lizzie
> in. The only concessions they make for assistance animals is the home
> quarantine, rather than a facility and travel in the cabin of the airliner.
> As Seeing Eye obviously can't do any sort of follow up or orientation
> support here, they advised me to contact the school to orient us to the new
> area. Also for Lizzie to be protected by the NZ access laws, she would need
> a tag, which she wears on her collar saying she is a guide dog certified to
> work in NZ.
> I had a local instructor come out and give us some orientation. She also
> observed how Lizzie worked--basically just following us on simple routes and
> had the tag sent to us. Each year, Lizzie gets a new tag, and the instructor
> comes out and follows us on a route of our choosing. She is here if I run
> into any sort of difficulty with travel, orientation, or dog behavior
> issues. Luckily, I haven't had any and would probably still work them out
> myself or with TSE if possible.
> The general public doesn't even realize Lizzie isn't from the New Zealand
> school. Several months ago, I had a gentleman stop me on the street in
> Wellington. He said he never gives to charity, but he has seen me and Liz
> several times and she is such a great dog he gave a donation to the guide
> dog school. I didn't have the heart to tell him she wasn't a home bred kiwi
> guide. Smile But that's what it's about whatever school your dog comes from.
>
>
> Cheers
> Bonnie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:25 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Hello Bonnie- Could you tell us more about how the certification and
> recertification process works in NZ.
> Thank you.
> Tina and the pointy ear princesses
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Mosen via
> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:21 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Bonnie Mosen
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Hi Jimmy and others. This is a very interesting topic. I am an American
> living in New Zealand and brought my dog from The Seeing Eye over with me
> when I moved here in 2013. We have one school here in New Zealand--operated
> as part of the Blind Foundation. My understanding is they do not offer
> ownership: however, at one time, they did, but the guide dog instructors
> lobbied against it. As part of working a dog in NZ, I had to get Lizzie
> certified by the NZ school and have to have an instructor recertify her each
> year. As someone, who has always had ownership of her dog, this was a tough
> thing to get my head around.
>
> Cheers
> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:07 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Good evening friends!
> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in other
> parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as I wonder
> if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>
> James Alan Boehm
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>
> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 20:22:20 -0700
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Walking in new territory
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> Well Lori, from what you describe, it may not be a safe place for
> you to walk at all. If Rick won't walk it, why do you think it
> would be safe for you? Really, it doesn't sound safe at all. Not
> because there are no sidewalks, although with the amount of
> traffic, it just sounds unsafe. Only you can decide if it's
> something you want to do. But it really doesn't sound very safe.
> How often do you visit your grandmother? Is there a specific
> reason why you would want to walk to Wal Mart from her house?
> Debbyand Nova
>
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 20:27:58 -0700
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Emotional Support Animals on Planes
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> Although this does not affect us directly, I suppose it could.
> Say Fido is flying with his family to Orlando and you with your
> guide is also flying to Offlando. What happens if Fido starts an
> unfriendly interaction with your guide, who is, of course, lying
> quietly under your seat. Interesting. Debby and Nova
> whSuperst
>
> ---- Original Message ------
> From: Craig Phillips <craphi at gmail.com
> Subject: Emotional Support Animals on Planes
> Date sent: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 10:45:13 -0700
>
> USA Today -
> The fur is flying in pet-people clashes in the skies
>
> Colleen Kaczka is done with pets on planes and their "crybaby"
> owners.
> And with good reason.
>
> On a recent JetBlue flight from Newark to Orlando, an "emotional
> support" dog belonging to a first-class passenger defecated
> midflight.
> The stench filled the entire cabin and was almost unbearable to
> Kaczka
> and her son, who suffers from asthma.
>
> "Airlines are enabling a bunch of selfish people who have no
> concern for
> the people around them," says Kaczka, a teacher from South
> Plainfield, N.J.
>
> Perhaps. Confrontations between pets and passengers are at their
> worst
> now, during the dog days of summer. More pets are flying than
> ever, yet
> only half the respondents in a recent survey say animals belong
> in the
> passenger cabin of a commercial jet.
>
> *Therapy dogs soothe stressed-out travelers in San Francisco*
>
> But for every complaint like Kaczka's, I get another from a pet
> owner or
> disabled person who claims the exact opposite - that travel
> companies,
> and in particular, airlines, are not accommodating enough when it
> comes
> to their furry friends.
>
> Consider what happened to Christine Killian and her family when
> they
> tried to fly from Pittsburgh to Los Angeles with Sam the cat
> recently.
> The Killians were relocating to California, and they'd done
> everything
> to ensure Sam was airworthy. They'd purchased a carrier, filled
> out all
> the necessary paperwork and ensured he hadn't been fed before the
> trip.
>
> Still, Sam did what animals sometimes do - he went number two
> just
> before takeoff. The airline ejected the cat and their entire
> family from
> the flight.
>
> "I was mortified," said Killian, a stay-at-home mom.
>
> Eventually, the Killians flew to L.A. without Sam. The cat made
> the
> journey alone, using a pet transport, at a cost of $1,179.
>
> These stories raise a bigger question: In the absurd world of air
> travel, are pets more important than people?
>
> For Killian, the answer was obviously "no." But her travel
> problems may
> be a backlash of sorts. It happened on US Airways, a carrier
> that is
> particularly sensitive to flying pets. It infamously, and
> disastrously,
> allowed an "emotional support" pig
> <http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/29/passenger-l
> eaves-flight-after-emotional-support-pig-is-disruptive/19662285/
> on one of its planes last year after promising it would never do
> so again.
>
> But many air travelers will experience what Kaczka did: an animal
> that,
> for whatever reason, will be treated with the deference of an
> elite-level flier.
>
> There are several reasons for that. Federal regulations are
> permissive
> when it comes to "emotional support" animals, and protective of
> pets'
> rights. For example, the government sets minimum standards when
> it comes
> to an animal's carrier size, while curiously not setting minimum
> legroom
> standards for human passengers. Airlines also charge hefty pet
> transportation fees - sometimes more than the human airfare - and
> are
> reluctant to lose the revenue.
>
> Finally, and maybe most important, our values are shifting as a
> society.
> Pets are no longer just afforded equal rights as people - in some
> instances, they're treated better.
>
> Donna Tinoco, who works for an advertising agency in Orlando, was
> surprised when she found herself sitting across the aisle from a
> medium-size dog in the first-class cabin on a transcontinental
> flight
> recently. It was not in a carrier and wasn't a service animal.
>
> She says although she loves dogs, there's a double standard. She
> wasn't
> allowed to bring anything with nuts on the plane, because some
> passengers might be allergic to it. Yet Tinoco has a mild
> allergy to pet
> dander.
>
> "I was not thrilled to have a dog sitting next to me for six
> hours," she
> says.
>
> Privately, airline executives will tell you that their hands are
> tied on
> this issue - that they're being pushed in one direction by
> federal
> regulations and another by upset passengers. For its part,
> JetBlue
> offered Kaczka a $50 voucher for the "inconvenience."
>
> But what airlines won't admit is that the deciding factor in all
> this is
> the money. Often, pet owners have more money to spend than
> parents with
> asthmatic kids. So guess who gets to have their way?
>
> The solution lies with airline passengers. They have to ask
> themselves
> if taking Fido on vacation is important enough to affect the
> health of
> another passenger. And if there's a problem on board, they'll
> need to
> decide whether moving to a different seat, away from an allergic
> passenger, or creating a scene that could delay or divert the
> flight, is
> worth their while.
>
> Here's hoping they make the the right call.
>
> *How to avoid a midair confrontation*
>
> *. Call your airline.* If you have a severe pet allergy, contact
> your
> airline. Carriers can make special arrangements to remove
> allergy-inducing materials from a flight with enough special
> notice or
> to let you move to another flight.
>
> *. Take precautions. *Travelers like Tinoco, who have a mild
> allergy,
> should always fly with a supply of Benadryl. If it's more
> serious, don't
> take off without a few EpiPens in your carry-on bag.
>
> *. Enlist the crew. *Flight attendants are trained to handle
> disagreements between passengers and other people's pets. The
> sooner you
> say something, the more options they have. Best case scenario:
> notifying
> the staff before your flight leaves. Once the doors close, their
> options
> are limited, particularly on a sold-out flight.
>
> /Christopher Elliott is a consumer advocate and editor at large
> for
> National Geographic Traveler. Contact him at chris at elliott.org
> <mailto:chris at elliott.org>or visit elliott.org
> <http://elliott.org/>./
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 20:28:12 -0700
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
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> Actually Larry, they can ask that the dog like; taken out. The
> person who has the dog then may, unless they have created a
> scene, may return themselves. Debby and Nova
>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 20:28:15 -0700
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Be careful when someone says "you can"--lol
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> Dan, I loved it! What a great story! And to think that you ran
> into that guy again! You just never know, right? As for crossing
> streets and other such....
>
> It was 2004. We had just moved to our house 15 miles out of
> Colville, Washington. It was early November and we already had
> snow. My husband and I were returning from town, and I was
> itching to go for a walk. I had my Golden Retriever Cleo. She
> was an intrepid soul. I told Craig when we got to the edge of
> our lane, (which was about a half mile to the house) I told him
> to let me out, I wanted to walk home with Cleo. He told me that
> it had snowed, and maybe I might want to rethink this particular
> walk. Oh no, I said, a little snow was no big deal. So he let
> me out of the pickup and drove away. The silence was
> magnificent. There were no cars going by on the county highway,
> and just Cleo and I stood in the snow. She shook all over, and
> when I picked up her harness handle and said, "Cleo, forward."
> she seemed to be trying to fortify herself. The first step I
> took found me sinking into knee-high snow. I pulled my foot out
> of the snow, and began moving forward. Almost every step I took,
> the snow was knee-high. It's hard work walking in that kind of
> snow. We finally arrived at the house, and Cleo and I huddled
> close to the stove the rest of the afternoon. I have learned
> since then to listen more closely to what my husband says. I
> sometimes decide that I can walk or do something he is hesitant
> about, and sometimes I'm right, but I do it more with a sense of
> prudence than before. (Smile). Debby and superstar Nova P.S.
> Colville is in northern Stevens County, and our house was only
> nine miles, as the crow flies, from the Canadian border.
>
>
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:29:40 -0700
> From: Jennifer Woods <jenn.purplepuppy2 at icloud.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
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> What has it been like going from the US to New Zealand?
> Bah
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Bonnie Mosen via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Jody, Lizzie had to go into a home quarantine--meaning she could stay in the house with us until the government vet cleared her. The quarantine lasts for ten days. Other animals have to stay at a facility, but because she is a service animal she was allowed in the home and in the cabin of air New Zealand on the trip over. Funnily, before I arrived, the Ministry of Primary Industries--our USDA sent the vet out to make sure the house was suitable for quarantine. I had to pick up after her--which I do anyway and flush the poop down the toilet, as they didn't want it going into the soil until she was cleared. I went to the States for a visit a few months ago, and she still had to be in home quarantine upon my return, but I didn't get the warning about the poop this time. Smile
>
> Cheers
> Bonnie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody Ianuzzi via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:43 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jody Ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>
> Hello Bonnie
>
> Do you have to quarantine your dog like you do other animals going into New Zealand?
>
> JODY ?
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>
> "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes." DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
>
>
>
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Bonnie Mosen via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jimmy and others. This is a very interesting topic. I am an
>> American living in New Zealand and brought my dog from The Seeing Eye
>> over with me when I moved here in 2013. We have one school here in New
>> Zealand--operated as part of the Blind Foundation. My understanding
>> is they do not offer
>> ownership: however, at one time, they did, but the guide dog
>> instructors lobbied against it. As part of working a dog in NZ, I had
>> to get Lizzie certified by the NZ school and have to have an
>> instructor recertify her each year. As someone, who has always had
>> ownership of her dog, this was a tough thing to get my head around.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:07 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
>>
>> Good evening friends!
>> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in
>> other parts of the world Address and view guide dog ownership? I ask as I wonder
>> if this is In just in our country or in other areas as well
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>>
>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
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> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 01:42:25 -0400
> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Freeze Dried Dog Food
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> To clear up your confusion, if your dog needs 2 cups of food daily,
> you scoop 2 cups of the freeze dried food from the bag. You then add 1
> or 1-1/2 cups of water to the food.
> The cheapest brands of freeze-dried food are Grandma Lucy's and Sojo's Complete.
>
> There are also kibble formulas that contain freeze dried pieces of
> meat and organ. This is nice for people who can't afford to go
> completely freeze dried or raw, but want nutritious food for their
> dogs.
> I suggest going to chewy.com and checking out Orijen Tundra and ACANA
> Singles, and visiting greatlife4pets.com and looking through their
> ingredient lists.
>
> What you can also do to offset costs is feed through a rotation of
> foods. I just consulted with a fellow list member who will feed a
> variety of foods to her dog, which I support 100%. People and dogs
> develop food sensitivities by eating the same thing day in and day
> out. Feeding the same thing daily creates an imbalanced diet and leads
> to health problems because there is a lack of variety in foods and a
> deficiency in nutrients. The only diet that is balanced and complete
> is the diet rich in variety.
> I encourage you to decide on more than one food for your dog. Be sure
> to choose formulas with different proteins, and also foods from
> different brands.
> If you need help picking out several formulas, I'll help out with that.
> Hth.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> have or what you do.
>
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>
>> On 7/31/15, Danielle Burton via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Okay, Im a little confused. How much of the freeze dried food do you use for
>> it to rehydrae into about 1 up?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Danielle Cyclorama via nagdu
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> In order to prepare one cup of dry.food, you add 1-1 and 1/2 cups of water
>>> and wait 2-3 minutes. When referring to freeze-dried food, amounts are
>>> given in dry measurements: 1 cup equals 1 cup of dry food before water is
>>> added.
>>>
>>> Danielle, Thai, and Bonnie (GDF puppy in training)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dnielle,
>>>> Thanks for the info. How do you actually prepare say one cup of the
>>>> freeze dried food. How much of the freze dried food would you rehydrate
>>>> to make one cup?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Danielle Cyclorama via nagdu
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The cheapest brands of freeze dried foods I have found are Grandma
>>>>> Lucy's and Sojo's. Even among these brands, The price varies with the
>>>>> protein source so it is something to pay attention to. Freeze dried
>>>>> foods are generally more expensive than kibble because they usually have
>>>>> fewer ingredients and are a higher quality. A 10 pound bag usually
>>>>> contains about 55 cups which is about 55 pounds of rehydrated food. I
>>>>> feed my 74 pound dog 2 cups of freeze dried food in addition to 1 cup of
>>>>> kibble and some treats. Also keep in mind the number of calories
>>>>> per.cup, which tend to be on the higher side in foods with less fillers.
>>>>> My personal favorite is Grandma Lucy's Artisan pork. It is high in
>>>>> protein (39%), and isn't too expensive. Also, neither of my dogs have
>>>>> had any allergic reaction to it.Danielle, Thai, and Bonnie
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Danielle Burton via nagdu
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> I have been looking at freeze dried dog food. I have some questions
>>>>>> about it:
>>>>>> 1. how much dog food is actually in a 10 pound bag or box?
>>>>>> #out Most of the food I'm seeing is rather expensive how does it
>>>>>> compare to kibble?
>>>>>> 3. Are there any that's more reasonably priced and last for a while?
>>>>>> 4. How much would you feed adog that's 60 pounds?
>>>>>> Any info would be appreciated,
>>>>>> Danielle and Willa
>>>>>> Email: dnielleburton94?gmail.com
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:37:07 -0400
> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Debbie's walk in the snow, and snow in general
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> Well good for you, though, Debbie for being intrepid and trying it out.
> I like cold weather but snow and ice can be interesting.
> I mean actually it's a bit scary when you are caught in snow drifts or
> you're on slippery ice.
> I remember with my first dog, snow, visiting places where there is snow that
> is because I live in Florida now--lol. Anyway, what to do, Grant must have
> thought, snow. "I must not do anything with it, that mountain of snow looks
> like an obstacle, let's not proceed any further, Dan, I don't care what you
> say you nincompoop, it's an obstacle I was trained for intelligent
> disobedience, no way.". So we would just stand there, finally after me
> coaxing him (I was hoping he'd treat it like something to go around) he
> tried to jump over it. That mean t he jumped and mostly got across and I
> fell in to it.
>
> Those of you who have more snow experience than I do? What do you do with
> snow drifts. My snow experiences were Russia again--lol Maryland where I
> worked and Ohio where I studied plus about eight visits to New York city but
> only two or three during winter.
> I never found a good way to deal with snow and ice. I remember once in
> Laurel, Maryland, it was December, 2005. It had warmed up nicely to around
> forty and I thought surely, Evan (dog numerous dos) and I can go on a nice
> mile long walk around this park they had around a man-made lake. As soon as
> I got in the park I realized 1. "Dan, you idiot why did you wer sneakers
> there's ice on the ground" and 2. "damn it there's ice on the ground and
> nothing else.".
>
> I think snow had melted and refroze over night becoming a sheet of ice that
> was all across the sidewalk. I knew as soon as I got in the park it was a
> mistake, but Evan, who had a stubborn streak, seemed to think "Hell, we're
> in the park now, why are you directing me to leave, let's keep going". Dan
> didn't want to keep going
> I took the decision that leaving as fast as possible was a good idea and I
> just couldn't figure out how to direct Evan out of the park, I got turned
> around, I heard a passer-by. "excuse me, can you help me figure out the way
> to get back on to the highway and out of the park?" (Dan has learned to be
> very specific with questions). "Oh, " said the jogger, "go that way.".
> Excellent, such helpful directions are always appreciated.
> Well I finally sort of got out because I went towards the sound of traffic.
>
> Now all my encounters with ice weren't that way of course, you wear proper
> foot ware and are prepared then you can deal with it. I wish though I had
> had the type of footwear my Scandinavian friends on skype tell me about
> which has traction so your feet keep traction on ice. Hell maybe I needed
> snow shoes
> I mean I like walking so if I were to live in a colder climate again, what
> footwear or techniques would I have so that I an take long walks in the
> winter?
> Dan the man, Parker the nut
> .
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby Phillips
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:28 PM
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> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Be careful when someone says "you can"--lol
>
> Dan, I loved it! What a great story! And to think that you ran into that guy
> again! You just never know, right? As for crossing streets and other
> such....
>
> It was 2004. We had just moved to our house 15 miles out of Colville,
> Washington. It was early November and we already had snow. My husband and
> I were returning from town, and I was itching to go for a walk. I had my
> Golden Retriever Cleo. She was an intrepid soul. I told Craig when we got
> to the edge of our lane, (which was about a half mile to the house) I told
> him to let me out, I wanted to walk home with Cleo. He told me that it had
> snowed, and maybe I might want to rethink this particular walk. Oh no, I
> said, a little snow was no big deal. So he let me out of the pickup and
> drove away. The silence was magnificent. There were no cars going by on
> the county highway, and just Cleo and I stood in the snow. She shook all
> over, and when I picked up her harness handle and said, "Cleo, forward."
> she seemed to be trying to fortify herself. The first step I took found me
> sinking into knee-high snow. I pulled my foot out of the snow, and began
> moving forward. Almost every step I took, the snow was knee-high. It's
> hard work walking in that kind of snow. We finally arrived at the house,
> and Cleo and I huddled close to the stove the rest of the afternoon. I have
> learned since then to listen more closely to what my husband says. I
> sometimes decide that I can walk or do something he is hesitant about, and
> sometimes I'm right, but I do it more with a sense of
> prudence than before. (Smile). Debby and superstar Nova P.S.
> Colville is in northern Stevens County, and our house was only nine miles,
> as the crow flies, from the Canadian border.
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 04:47:48 -0700
> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake Service Dogs
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> Hi every one, Mardi here. Regarding owner trainers, when I train my dogs, I
> feel that I will be scrutinized more and my dogs held to a higher degree of
> of good behavior. I will always make sure that my dogs are as perfect as I
> can get them to be.Where ever I go, I am always complimented on how well
> behaved my dog is. This does not mean that my dogs never act up or never
> make mistakes. They sometimes do, though it is rare.I never stop training
> my dogs.Each outing is another training experience.When I was still using
> Shaman, He was attacked so many times by Pit Bulls and harassed several
> times by small ankle biters,that he became dog aggressive. He would lunge
> and growl at other dogs.As soon as I recognized his problem,I stopped using
> him in public. I worked with him in dog friendly places like Petsmart, not
> out in a public store or restaurant. I worked with him until I got the
> situation under control.He was able to return to guide work. Shulamith,the
> dog that I am currently training has a problem with other dogs when they
> bark at her.I am working on her behavior issues at Petsmart as that is
> where she has the problem.Dogs that bark at each other, are tolerated at
> Petsmart as long as there is no fighting. She has not acted up any at any
> other place that she has been to so far. The point is that I make sure that
> my dogs behaviors are good so they will not be asked to leave and I won't
> be embarrassed. About fake service dogs. I think there is a misconception
> with the public of what the ADA defines as a service dog. I get these
> people telling me that their dog is a service dog, when in actuality, it is
> just an emotional support dog.These people say their dog is their "THERAPY
> DOG". They don't seem to know what a true Therapy dog is.I see dogs in the
> grocery all the time riding in the grocery carts. Some have vests on,some
> don't. Some dogs have Service Dog patches on their vests and others have
> Therapy dog patches or no patches on the vest at all. Like the vest
> alone,without any patch tells you this dog is a service dog. All of these
> dogs have acted up.Some have barked and growled at my dog,and others have
> actually lunged and tried to attack my dog.I have not yet seen one that
> acted like a service dog.Most have been small dogs. Several have been large
> dogs or Pit Bulls.I am not against Pit Bulls, but most people around here
> do not train them for obedience or do train them to be aggressive. I have
> tried to explain to people that have these so called "THERAPY DOGS" that
> they are not service dogs according to the ADA. Most of these people try to
> convince me that they are service dogs and get nasty with me for trying to
> educate them.Some,just say they don't care.To them it is their service
> dog.I have asked the 2 questions and most people don't answer them
> correctly and some do answer correctly.When I am trying to get on a bus and
> do it quickly so no one will complain that I am making them late for work
> because I am being slow,and some little ankle bitter is barking and
> growling at my dog,..........Well it just makes me angry,and then that
> person says ,"Its my service dog" like it doesn't matter that is is
> creating a scene, because it's a "SERVICE DOG".Then we have "HANDI DOGS" in
> Tucson. This is an organization that trains their service dogs inside of a
> building. There trainees are not allowed to go out into the public until
> their dogs are "certified". How can they certify their dogs if they have
> never trained outside this building.I have seen many Handi Dog grads who
> have dogs that act up and bark at other dogs and growl and lunge in public.
> But it's a "HANDI DOG" from an organization.Every one in Tucson knows about
> Handi Dogs. They advertise on TV so they can get donations. They give
> demonstrations and I have seen some of their demos and some of the dogs are
> not very well trained and some are acting up around other service dogs that
> happened to be watching with their handlers.Even when I get my guide dogs
> their licenses, it is marked as a "HANDI DOG" I have tried to tell the
> animal control licensing clerks that my dog is NOT a "HANDI DOG". After 33
> years of my living in Tucson, my guide dogs are still listed as "HANDI
> DOG"on their licenses. Tucson does not recognize any service dogs but
> "HANDI DOGS" No one enforces the service dog laws here. I feel like I am
> living in some primitive country, in the dark ages. I have tried educating
> Animal Control and the police but I have been retaliated against for it.
> There are legitimate service dogs in Tucson and a lot of them have faced
> the same problems as I have, but most of them just grin and bare it,so one
> person, ME, gets no where when educating the public, Animal Control and the
> police.Even the store managers refuse to do any thing about dogs that act
> up. I have tried to educate them also to no avail. I can't afford to sue
>
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