[nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world

Fri Aug 7 06:34:02 UTC 2015

HI Rox and Tracy. What a terrible experience with an instructor. I'm not
sure why the guide dog instructors in NZ lobbied for nonownership, and my
husband wasn't sure either. We have or had a similar guide dog consumer
group to NAGDU, but my pimpressions are they are not real effective.

Cheers
Bonnie 

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Tracy, 
I also had this same experience at GDB when I was there last, which
admittedly was also many moons ago.  My field rep who did my follow up would
frequently rant about how she was always having to fix problems the
graduates had because of careless or irresponsible handling, and our lack of
grattitude and how the instructors needf to have a way to remove a dog if
necessary. 
I think this scarred me for life. lol. Which is why I really hope, by the
time I'm too old to train my own, there will be a choice of programs out
there that will accept a Deafblind person communicating in ASL, which will
give ownership. 
Because right now my choice is leader, GEB both of whom have a waiting
period which is not an option. And maybe GDF, which I think gives ownership.

 Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> When I was at GDB, many moons ago, I felt the instructors were against
> ownership because they'd bought into the idea that the school keeping
> ownership was the only way to protect the dogs from being abused. Huh.
> Tracy and poor abused Krokus, lying on his cushion with his toy
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 5:11 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Star Gazer
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> 
>                Very interesting. 
> Why were the instructors against ownership? My thinking is that the
process
> currently in place provides them with great job security.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Mosen
via
> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:10 PM
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> Cc: Bonnie Mosen <bonnie at mosen.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> 
> Hi Tina and all. Trying to remember how it all worked. Smile As New
Zealand
> is a rabies free country with an agricultural based economy--we have more
> sheep than people, they are understandably extremely strict about animals
> coming into the country.
> 
> It was a six month process with tons of paperwork and tests to get Lizzie
> in. The only concessions they make for assistance animals is the home
> quarantine, rather than a facility and travel in the cabin of the
airliner. 
> As Seeing Eye obviously can't do any sort of follow up or orientation
> support here, they advised me to contact the school to orient us to the
new
> area. Also for Lizzie to be protected by the NZ access laws, she would
need
> a tag, which she wears on her collar saying she is a guide dog certified
to
> work in NZ. 
> I had a local instructor come out and give us some orientation. She also
> observed how Lizzie worked--basically just following us on simple routes
and
> had the tag sent to us. Each year, Lizzie gets a new tag, and the
instructor
> comes out and follows us on a route of our choosing. She is here if I run
> into any sort of difficulty with travel, orientation, or dog behavior
> issues. Luckily, I haven't had any and would probably still work them out
> myself or  with TSE if possible.
> The general public doesn't even realize Lizzie isn't from the New Zealand
> school. Several months ago, I had a gentleman stop me on the street in
> Wellington. He said he never gives to charity, but he has seen me and Liz
> several times and she is such a great dog he gave a donation to the guide
> dog school. I didn't have the heart to tell him she wasn't a home bred
kiwi
> guide. Smile But that's what it's about whatever school your dog comes
from.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Bonnie 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:25 AM
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> Cc: Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> 
> Hello Bonnie- Could you tell us more about how the certification and
> recertification process works in NZ. 
> Thank you. 
> Tina and the pointy ear princesses
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:21 PM
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> Cc: Bonnie Mosen
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> 
> Hi Jimmy and others. This is a very interesting topic. I am an American
> living in New Zealand and brought my dog from The Seeing Eye over with me
> when I moved here in 2013. We have one school here in New
Zealand--operated
> as part of the Blind Foundation. My understanding  is they do not offer
> ownership: however, at one time, they did, but the guide dog instructors
> lobbied against it. As part of working a dog in NZ, I had to get Lizzie
> certified by the NZ school and have to have an instructor recertify her
each
> year. As someone, who has always had ownership of her dog, this was a
tough
> thing to get my head around.
> 
> Cheers
> Bonnie Mosen  -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:07 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nagdu] Dog ownership in other areas of the world
> 
> Good evening friends!
> I was curious if anyone has done research on how guide dog schools in
other
> parts of the world Address and view guide  dog ownership? I ask as I
wonder
> if this is   In  just in our country or in other areas as well
> 
> James Alan Boehm
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
> secretary at nfb-tn.org
> 
> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
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