[nagdu] Going to Prison.

Tue Aug 11 23:00:36 UTC 2015

Pilot does.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
nagdu
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:32 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Buddy Brannan
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.

Far as I know, Leader, GEB, GDF maybe, and Pilot have prison puppy raiser
programs. There may well be others. I understand that at least some of the
programs will ask a student if s/he would be willing to work with a
prison-raised dog. I've heard nothing but excellent things about these dogs.
Yes, they do get exposure to "the outside", going home with prison
employees' families on some weekends and things like that. Seriously, if
these programs didn't have good, well socialized, stable dogs, do you think
the schools would still be using prisoners as puppy raisers some two decades
later? 

--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: 814-860-3194 
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name

> On Aug 11, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Some of Pilot's most obedient dogs were raised at Marysville Prison for
> women, I believe.
> 
> I am not sure any more how many schools are still using prison raised
dogs.
> Do any of you know if your school is availing themselves of the fine
prison
> raised dogs? I think Southeastern is and Pilot. 
> 
> Becky  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:29 AM
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
> 
> I would not accept a dog that had been raised in a prison.  I would be
> concerned that the dog hadn't been exposed to everyday life in a normal
home
> environment, children playing, noisy traffic etc...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: larry d keeler via nagdu
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: larry d keeler
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
> 
> And, lets not forget! Some prisoners may have had a hand in training some
of
> our dogs!Which is a great thing both for them and us! Not saying or
judging
> the prison system but, like anything else it has holes in it. But, if they
> can help train dogs and get comfort from it, well the better for them!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> nagdu
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
> 
> Sandra, I don't really quite get the hostility. Many have made good points
> about this issue already. I will confirm what Julie has said. This is a
> women's prison where there is a prison ministry that one of my friends
from
> seminary runs, and it is very successful. I know someone there who really
> should not be, and there are probably countless others who have learned
from
> their errors. These are people, too, and where there is life there is hope
> for change and rebirth. As for my innocent dog, no matter what my point
for
> going is, his innocence wouldn't be compromised by the visit to the
prison.
> For him it is an opportunity to work, end of story, and he will gladly
blaze
> the trail with me if he is able to do so.
> 
> Best,
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> nagdu
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:02 PM
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> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
> 
> I would never consider visiting  prison with or without my dog.  They are
> criminals and do not deserve to even look at my dog.  Keep your poor
> innocent dog away from the criminals.  Why should you feel sorry for
someone
> 
> who committed a crime?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sherry Gomes via nagdu
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:52 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Sherry Gomes ; 'Julie J.'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
> 
> The times I took my dog with me into prisons, it was emotional for the
> inmates, but they thanked me repeatedly and profusely for doing it. At San
> Quentin, when I went with my cousin to visit her husband, one time a woman
> came up to me and asked if her husband could pet my dog. She told me he
> hadn't seen a dog in fifteen years. He was in prison for life. I didn't
ask
> why. I allowed him to pet my dog, and he cried and cried and thanked me
over
> and over. It meant a lot to him to be able to pet a dog. The times I went
> with my singing group, nobody asked to pet my dog, but many inmates
> commented on her and how much they loved seeing her.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
> nagdu
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:43 PM
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> Cc: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
> 
> I don't know about entering a prison with a guide.  In my last job, I used
> to have a couple of inmates from the women's prison come and talk to the
> class participants.    The only issue was that it was very emotional for
> some of the inmates.  They may not have seen a dog for many years.  One
lady
> 
> had to give up her dogs when she was sentenced.  She didn't know if they
> found homes or what happened to them.  Seeing my dog reminded her of all
> that pain.  She was in tears for most of the 1.5 hours they were there.
> 
> I'm not saying to leave your guide behind, but just to  be aware that the
> presence of a dog could be an emotional issue.   It could be a positive
> thing or not, no way to know beforehand.  Of course none of this has
> anything what-so-ever to do with your legal rights in this situation.
> 
> Julie
> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is now
> available! Get the book here:
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy Ray via nagdu
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:25 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: [nagdu] Going to Prison.
> 
> I am going to go to the women's pennitentury to help with a worship
service.
> I am wondering about the dog, whether he will be welcome there. I did take
a
> dog with me to the Shawnee County Jail in Topeka, Kansas, but since the
> minister isn't sure I can bring the dog, she is asking someone. I need to
be
> prepared.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Cindy Lou Ray
> 
> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
> 
> 
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