[nagdu] Naming names

Sun Aug 23 22:40:53 UTC 2015

				I agree with Julie on the sharing of names. 
Cindy, I don't understand why you wouldn't share names. If we lived in the same city, it'd do me no good to have you tell me "I know a vet and she's just terrible... but I won't tell you what her name is, I'll just scare you so that you'll always wonder"
And, as Julie said, I'd bet you'd be willing to share a name if it was the provider of someone you liked. If not, it'd be no good. Nobody wants to hear something like "I know the best daycare provider in town, she's just wonderful, my kids adore her.. but I won't tell you who she is" 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names

I actually do think there is some of that loyalty where schools are concerned, and also where doctors are concerned. I think trainers and people who do things that might be services know from the get-go that this sort of thing might happen. Usually some really love the services rendered and the person; others don't think they are worth the time of day. I mentioned my vet to someone one day and someone else said they wouldn't take their animals to her because she was just not nice, didn't care,  and on and on. I doubt it matters much if the thing happened recently or long ago. I usually don't share names because I just feel like I don't need to to get the point across, but I might if I thought there was a reason. Maybe I was premature in suggesting the thread should close.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names

I don't think Sandra ever said he wasn't a good trainer.  Training and repossessing are two entirely different issues.

It's interesting to me that people seem to take special offense because of the time element to this story.  Would it make a difference, as far as the naming names part, if it happened 4 months ago?

A really honest question that I would really like answered...why is there such fear about sharing anything negative about the schools?  I've never been to a program and it's obvious I'm missing something here.  I can't think of anything else that even comes close to the loyalty, to the detriment of progress, that some people feel  about their guide dog school.

When I think about my college, my orientation center training, past employment, the city I live in, my friends...my choice in soft drink...if one of these people/entities did something I found repugnant I would want to talk about it openly with anyone interested in talking about it and more importantly doing something about it.  That is not the case when it comes to guide dog programs and I am baffled as to why this is.

Julie
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Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 10:14 AM
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Subject: [nagdu] Naming names

Hello Julie,

Yes, people should be accountable but people are not the same as they were
40 years ago.

I don't thhink it is fair to name names because if someone meets John Byfield today they will have a wrong opinion of him based on an old story. 
He is an excellent trainer of both dogs and handlers and I would hate to have anyone think otherwise today.

JODY 🐺
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DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)

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