[nagdu] Naming names

Mon Aug 24 15:17:58 UTC 2015

Hi.
Shannon, I think you make a good point about people being so grateful to the schools for their dogs and about there is no perfect school..
I have had some negative experiences with many things.  When I share my experiences I will say, it is your decision.  I also agree with Debbie that bringing out stuff from the past isn't realizing that many people can change.  

Warmly,
Melissa R. Green and Pj
It is 'where we are' that should make all the difference, whether we believe we belong there or not. 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer via nagdu
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names

I’ve noticed the same thing with medical professionals. It doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s a doctor for humans or a vet.

As far as school loyalty goes, I wonder if some of it has to do with gratitude. For a lot of people, getting a guide dog is somewhat of a miracle. Having the dog instills all kinds of confidence in some people, and they’re just so incredibly grateful. So, if someone even suggests something less than wonderful about the school or trainer who issued the dog, people take it very personally. It’s almost like saying something negative about the school is the same thing as saying something negative about the dog or the person.

I think all schools have their good and bad points. There’s no such thing as a perfect program. We choose the school that’s right for us, based on the needs we have. If something changes with the program we choose, we need to know about it in order to make an informed decision about where to get our next dog.

Naming names can be a tricky thing. We all deal with people differently, and there are two sides to every story. Personally, I try to be careful when discussing negative experiences, just because something that didn’t work out for me might work well for someone else, and I don’t want to start trouble for no reason. I think we’re all free to share things that happen to us personally, and, if we’re comfortable naming instructors we’ve worked with, that’s fine. It’s important to realize that not everyone is going to be comfortable doing so, and, just like everything else that comes up with handling a dog, we each have to do what’s right for us.

Shannon and the Acelet
> On Aug 23, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> I actually do think there is some of that loyalty where schools are concerned, and also where doctors are concerned. I think trainers and people who do things that might be services know from the get-go that this sort of thing might happen. Usually some really love the services rendered and the person; others don't think they are worth the time of day. I mentioned my vet to someone one day and someone else said they wouldn't take their animals to her because she was just not nice, didn't care, and on and on. I doubt it matters much if the thing happened recently or long ago. I usually don't share names because I just feel like I don't need to to get the point across, but I might if I thought there was a reason. Maybe I was premature in suggesting the thread should close.
> Cindy Lou Ray
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via nagdu
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> I don't think Sandra ever said he wasn't a good trainer. Training and repossessing are two entirely different issues.
> 
> It's interesting to me that people seem to take special offense because of the time element to this story.  Would it make a difference, as far as the naming names part, if it happened 4 months ago?
> 
> A really honest question that I would really like answered...why is there such fear about sharing anything negative about the schools?  I've never been to a program and it's obvious I'm missing something here.  I can't think of anything else that even comes close to the loyalty, to the detriment of progress, that some people feel about their guide dog school.
> 
> When I think about my college, my orientation center training, past employment, the city I live in, my friends...my choice in soft drink...if one of these people/entities did something I found repugnant I would want to talk about it openly with anyone interested in talking about it and more importantly doing something about it.  That is not the case when it comes to guide dog programs and I am baffled as to why this is.
> 
> Julie
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> From: Jody Ianuzzi via nagdu
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> Hello Julie,
> 
> Yes, people should be accountable but people are not the same as they were
> 40 years ago.
> 
> I don't thhink it is fair to name names because if someone meets John Byfield today they will have a wrong opinion of him based on an old story. 
> He is an excellent trainer of both dogs and handlers and I would hate to have anyone think otherwise today.
> 
> JODY 🐺
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