[nagdu] Trying to understand: denial of access bad allergies

Fri Aug 28 20:57:33 UTC 2015

Yet you make it difficult for those of us who choose to not notify the company of our dog. They will think that because Larry does inform them, I should as well and they have a right to refuse me because of that. While uneducated, this is the same thought process that business owners follow when they are shown identification for a service animal. 

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> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:49 PM, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't have put of it that way. The company I use has over a hundred
> drivers whom I mostly know. Actually, I haven't yet been refused yet but I
> have gotten a couple of fussy drivers. It can be easier to let them know
> rather than have to argue with someone who doesn't want to take you! Mostly
> when I call a cab, I want to go! Not have to argue with the driver! I also
> believe that if drivers are truly allergic, it gives them the chance to
> refuse the order and give it to someone else. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:38 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Marion Gwizdala
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trying to understand: denial of access bad allergies
> 
> Larry,
> 
>    You make the point for not giving advance notice very well by
> stating that doing so gives the cabbie the chance to refuse the fare. In
> other words, you give the cabbie the opportunity to discriminate against
> you.
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of larry d keeler
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:56 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: larry d keeler
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trying to understand: denial of access bad allergies
> 
> I have never had an issue either. Because we have a shared ride system, I
> always tell them whether or not Holly will be going. I feel it also gives
> cabbies a right to refuse when the order goes out. Well sandy, I'd hate to
> miss a cab in Indie! That city is really spread out! 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> nagdu
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: S L Johnson
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trying to understand: denial of access bad allergies
> 
> Marion:
> 
> I have never had a problem getting a ride after letting them know I have qa
> guide dog.  I just hated driver's not knowing and then having a problem once
> they arrived at my home.  Also, I live in a suburb of Indianapolis.  There
> is not a local cab company so all cabs must come down from Indianapolis.  It
> would be very time consuming and cause many problems if I had problems with
> a driver.  The two companies I use both appreciate being told in advance so,
> that is what
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marion Gwizdala via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 9:13 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Marion Gwizdala
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trying to understand: denial of access bad allergies
> 
> Sandra,
> 
> As you say, some of us will rush to our keyboards and I am one of them.
> Advance notice does not serve you well as it creates a form of
> discrimination referred to as unequal benefit. The dispatcher sends out a
> message looking for a cab that will take a woman with a dog. No one bids on
> the trip because they are given the choice and no one chooses to bid.
> 
> Then I call and do not tell them I have a dog and am questioned about why I
> do not advise them in advance; after all, Sandra does. Once we decide we
> will not be discriminated against and my right to be accompanied by my
> service dog is protected by law, we will begin to resolve the issue of
> discrimination. Companies do not have the choice of whether or not to serve
> us any more than they have the choice of whether or not they will serve my
> friend Terence because of his race. Until we demand our rights, our rights
> will be trampled upon.
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 8:00 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: S L Johnson
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trying to understand: denial of access bad allergies
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I avoid this problem by letting the cab company know I have a guide dog when
> I call to request the ride.  I know, a lot of you are going to rush to your
> keyboards to argue about this but, for me, I find that is what works best.
> When they know in advance, the drivers can't claim they didn't know I had a
> dog.  It also makes it easier for the driver to find me when I'm waiting
> outside a busy business or office building.  I do the same when making any
> reservations for bus, train or air travel.  Sometimes when we inform people
> in advance, things go better for us in the end.
> 
> Sandra and Eva
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aleeha Dudley via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:23 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Aleeha Dudley
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trying to understand: denial of access bad allergies
> 
> I ask because many people have different perspectives on this matter. We are
> not all the same. Some would choose to handle a situation differently, as
> Daryl expressed. It is not a 2question that I ask lightly, nor is a question
> I ask simply because I am offended at a little name calling. I spoke frankly
> to that person and told him exactly what I thought. However, I want to
> understand all that surrounds this topic. I want to be sensitive to
> othersb?T conditions, as I would ask that they be of my blindness. I also
> want to make sure I know all I can about this issue: from the scientific
> data to the personal opinions, so that I might become a more well rounded,
> more thoughtful human being.
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Who is telling you this and why do you care?
>> I ask in all sincerity.
>> Also, asking the list what it thinks on this topic as like asking the 
>> Budweizer company if you should have another beer.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha 
>> Dudley via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 1:55 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Trying to understand: denial of access bad allergies
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Can you guys weigh in on this? I have been severely criticized and 
>> called selfish for my opinion on this matter. This especially has to 
>> do with denial of access to uber vehicles, but could also have 
>> implications elsewhere.
>> Let's start with a hypothetical situation. I request a ride with the 
>> uber app. As I do not think it is necessary, I do not inform the 
>> driver that I am accompanied by my dog. The driver shows up and says 
>> that they cannot take my dog because they or someone in their family 
>> has a severe allergy to dog dander, to the point that their throat 
>> closes up.
>> In my opinion, this person shouldn't be driving anyway because anyone 
>> could be carrying pet dander on their clothing. My dog poses just as 
>> much a risk as the next person if my dog is well groomed. I believe 
>> that everyone should follow the law. Now, I'm told that this view 
>> makes me close minded and selfish. I have a similar view on fear of 
>> dogs. I'm told that we are all being close minded and spewing rhetoric 
>> when we talk about the uber lawsuit, but that is a topic for another 
>> post. What do you all think?
>> Aleeha
>> 
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