[nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

Michael Hingson mike at michaelhingson.com
Sun Aug 30 17:04:15 UTC 2015 

Different, I believe, today. 


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

Actually those were two intersecting messages, Darian. I first wrote asking
about the policy, then I saw Michael's explanation so then I wrote a
different message, when I looked in to the Louisiana Center in 1995 I was
told my dog would need to be in my apartment and not at the center, that's a
face.
Thank you for your message and have a wonderful day.

Dan W.
 

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

Dan,
 I am a little confused as to whether or not you are seeking knowledge   in
something you currently lack, or stating a fact based upon what  you've
found to be true.
 If the former than I will share what I know to be true with you.
 Our training centers never ask a student to leave their guide in their
apartment all day.
 An individual with a dog guide  would work their dog from the  apartments
to the center and while in classes the dog would stay  on tie down in the
office of an instructor or staff person.  That person is in the room doing
their job but isn't interacting with your dog.  You would go from one class
to another doing  the same types of classwork as your peers in the program
including using a cane  traveling between your   classes and of course using
your cane during cane travel  class (orientation and mobility).
 You of course would visit with your dog between breaks in class and at
lunch and then pick them back up at the end of the day.
 there are times where you might work on  guide dog related travel stuff
with your dog, but this will not be something that you would spend the
majority of your time doing.
 I hope this helps      
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 6:16 AM, Dan Weiner via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> So what happens tat the vaunted centers, you leave your dog behind in 
> your appartment all day or what is it, I think it's a travesty but 
> then again I'm not going to one any time soon so I'll leave it up to 
> those going there as to the level of ttolerance for what I think is an
incorrect policy.
> Anyway, my opinions asside, what is the dog guide policy of the Centers?
> 
> Cordially,
> Dan W.
> 
> 
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Ashley Coleman via 
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> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 8:11 PM
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> Cc: Ashley Coleman
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers
> 
> Hi, I know that these centers do a great job in regards to teaching. 
> Please make sure that your dog get as much exercise as normal. Also, 
> live a radio or TV on so that your dog has something calming to listen 
> to. Check with your trainers to find out when they would like you to 
> use a cane. Honestly, I would rather work with my dog than a cane. I 
> would have a difficult time leaving Landon behind in my room all day. JMO.
> 
> Ashley Coleman,
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 19:07, Aleeha Dudley via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I will be attending the Louisiana center for the blind in September. 
>> I
> know what their policy on dogs is, but I would like to hear from those 
> who have attended centers with your dogs. How was it? What can I do to 
> reduce the stress on my dog from being left all day?
>> Thanks. 
>> Aleeha
>> 
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>> Papa is right, BJJ was known as Gracie Jiu Jitsu when it was first 
>> introduced to America, but as others started teaching and opening 
>> their own academies it became known as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. As a 
>> woman, I would have to disagree with the claim that it's not 
>> effective as self defense, primarily because many of the positions 
>> that we learn to  defend are those where we we would find ourselves 
>> during a sexual assault. SERE and a large portion of Special Forces 
>> training involves BJJ and a lot of them use the Gracie Combatives 
>> technique. One of my good friends recently went through a test for a 
>> local police department where he had to enter a house with 4 
>> assailants, pretend of course, and his job was to subdo them as best 
>> as he could. They stopped the test after he put the first guy to 
>> sleep using a choke and dislocated another's shoulder. I don't know 
>> about the Army Ranger, but I have several UFC fighters on my team, 
>> and they all have won using one art or another, be it BJJ, striking, 
>> or whatever. If you are stepping into the octogon, it's best to have 
>> training both standing and on the ground.
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>>> On 8/30/15, Poppa Bear via Sportsandrec <sportsandrec at nfbnet.org
<mailto:sportsandrec at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> Not a problem Cara, take care.
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>>> <mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Carly 
>>> Mihalakis via Sportsandrec
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:23 PM
>>> To: Sports and Recreation for the Blind Discussion List
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>>> Thank you for that explanation!
>>> CarAt 12:06 AM 8/30/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Brazilian Jujitzu is an off shoot of a martial art made very famous 
>>>> by the Gracey family who were originally from Brazil and adapted 
>>>> traditional jujitsu to their own style. In the early days of 
>>>> MMA/UFC the Gracie family were pretty much unstoppable and as their 
>>>> popularity spread they and their students established dojoes 
>>>> throughout the US as well as other countries. Brazilian Jujitsu 
>>>> also known as BJJ on most message boards and in most training gyms 
>>>> is now a day's considered to mainly be a ground game geared towards 
>>>> the octagon or MMA/UFC style of fighting. The training is big on 
>>>> locks, pens and many grappling techniques with some striking.
>>>> Sometimes opponents will start on their knees or even back to back. 
>>>> There is a blindBJJ practitioner who has even one some pro MMA 
>>>> matches. As far as a self defense martial art sport, many argue 
>>>> that it is the least geared towards self defense, but at the same 
>>>> time, I think that when it comes down to a student who knows BJJ 
>>>> versus a person who has no formal martial art training, the odds 
>>>> are in the trained persons favor. I have a client who is an Army 
>>>> Ranger graduate and he went to the local BJJ gym for a while and 
>>>> when it came to the octagon he said that he got his butt kicked. As 
>>>> a Ranger, I doubt that the BJJ students would be as successful in a 
>>>> street fight though, but you never know. Also, depending on the gym 
>>>> the physical training can be very intense and extremely 
>>>> competitive. The Graceies were a rough and tumble family and they 
>>>> were also surfers in Brazil. As with many surfers there is a kind 
>>>> of brotherhood, lingo and even dress code and a lot of the time it 
>>>> translates into BJJ. Even when it comes to the BJJ clothing and 
>>>> gear it is more fashionable, bad boyish and more spendier than 
>>>> other martial arts. I know that I wasn't asked the question, but as 
>>>> on
most boards the allowance is given to answer a little out of order, I hope I
didn't cause any offence.
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sportsandrec 
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>>>> <mailto:sportsandrec-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Carly 
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>>>> Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:38 PM To: Sports and Recreation for 
>>>> the Blind Discussion List Cc:
>>>> Carly Mihalakis Subject: Re: [Sportsandrec] Greetings Evening, 
>>>> Marana, What does Brazilian Jiu Jitsu look like? What identifies 
>>>> that this martial art derives from Brazil?, At 03:33 PM 8/26/2015, 
>>>> you
wrote:
>>>>> Hello and Welcome. What type of martial arts do >you do? I'm in
>>>> California and train Brazilian >Jiu Jitsu, which is the best thing 
>>>> I've ever >done in my life.
>>>> Looking forward to having you >along. On 8/26/15, Audrey Farnum via
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