[nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction

Tue Dec 1 21:31:21 UTC 2015

I agree that grass is preferable and dogs probably will not need to be trained for that. I was told that if you don't consistently use concrete in the beginning they may choose not to go on it again in the future, and in Arizona there will be times I have no other option than concrete. So, if she starts getting squeamish about going on concrete, we could have some real issues. I was worried that having her go on concrete was the reason she was choosing to use the sidewalk, but I have been assured by my trainers that is probably not the case. Because I have some flexibility now I am just going to try having her go and then do our routes. No poop, no route. Hopefully this gets resolved before things get real and I don't have much of a choice.

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On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Now, I just had a driveway, steps, and a patio, but the term was concrete. I
did not know that difference. The Seeing Eye's dog relieve on a hard
surface, but I have never had one come home, see the grass in my yard, and
say, "Ah, I think concrete is wonderful." It was more likely to say, "Ah,
Grass!"
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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Raven,

Yes and no.  Cement is a component of concrete.  Most people use the terms 
interchangeably to mean the same thing.   Concrete is a mixture of cement, 
water and fillers, usually crushed rock/gravel.  Cement alone is more
expensive, but smoother when dry because there is no gravel filler mixed in.

So cement might be used for say a swimming pool or roller skate rink, while
concrete is used for sidewalks and most other applications.

A dog isn't going to recognize the difference between cement and concrete. 
Most people don't.  I never knew until doing a home project and looking like
a dork at the home improvement store. *smile*

I don't teach my dogs to relieve on concrete.  I've had very little problems
with relieving in harness on route.  I don't know if that's related or
coincidence.  I live in an area with abundant grass/gravel/woodchip/dirt
readily available.  So as long as I continue to live in this sort of area, I
will continue to not allow concrete relieving at any time.

Julie
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From: Raven Tolliver via nagdu
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Cement and concrete are 2 different things, aren't they? Just asking, 'cause
I think those are 2 different surfaces.
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> On 11/30/15, Debby Phillips via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Even in class, Nova would not poop on cement.  She would pee, 
> reluctantly.  Finally I just started taking her to some grass.
> My instructor said that there are some dogs who just will not go on 
> concrete, unless they are totally desperate.  We tried walking her and 
> walking her, I even resorted to singing.  Lol.  I'd never seen a dog 
> as stubborn about going on concrete, or not going, rather.  She will 
> go in dirt, which is good, because sometimes
> when away from home, that's all I've been able to find.    Debby
> and Nova who HATES pooping on concrete

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