[nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction

[Cindy Ray]

Now, I just had a driveway, steps, and a patio, but the term was concrete. I
did not know that difference. The Seeing Eye's dog relieve on a hard
surface, but I have never had one come home, see the grass in my yard, and
say, "Ah, I think concrete is wonderful." It was more likely to say, "Ah,
Grass!"
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
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Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 1:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction

Raven,

Yes and no.  Cement is a component of concrete.  Most people use the terms 
interchangeably to mean the same thing.   Concrete is a mixture of cement, 
water and fillers, usually crushed rock/gravel.  Cement alone is more
expensive, but smoother when dry because there is no gravel filler mixed in.

So cement might be used for say a swimming pool or roller skate rink, while
concrete is used for sidewalks and most other applications.

A dog isn't going to recognize the difference between cement and concrete. 
Most people don't.  I never knew until doing a home project and looking like
a dork at the home improvement store. *smile*

I don't teach my dogs to relieve on concrete.  I've had very little problems
with relieving in harness on route.  I don't know if that's related or
coincidence.  I live in an area with abundant grass/gravel/woodchip/dirt
readily available.  So as long as I continue to live in this sort of area, I
will continue to not allow concrete relieving at any time.

Julie
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From: Raven Tolliver via nagdu
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 11:02 AM
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Cc: Raven Tolliver
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction

Cement and concrete are 2 different things, aren't they? Just asking, 'cause
I think those are 2 different surfaces.
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Raven
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what you do.

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On 11/30/15, Debby Phillips via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Even in class, Nova would not poop on cement.  She would pee, 
> reluctantly.  Finally I just started taking her to some grass.
> My instructor said that there are some dogs who just will not go on 
> concrete, unless they are totally desperate.  We tried walking her and 
> walking her, I even resorted to singing.  Lol.  I'd never seen a dog 
> as stubborn about going on concrete, or not going, rather.  She will 
> go in dirt, which is good, because sometimes
> when away from home, that's all I've been able to find.    Debby
> and Nova who HATES pooping on concrete

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