[nagdu] [nagdu) Welcome Mike!

Tue Dec 1 22:25:29 UTC 2015

Thank you!

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Ledet
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Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nagdu) Welcome Mike!

Hello Mike,

Love your dogs name! Welcome to the list! You will learn a lot here I'm sure
and have fun too. Any questions, just ask. And don't forge the archives too.
There is a wealth of info there and you may find answers to many of your
questions. Iknow cuz I peruse them for various lists from time to time. I am
currently without a dog since my last, the Golden Princess, died suddenly
last year! Another is in the future though I don't know when since I seem to
be in a perpetual transition of sorts.

On 12/1/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Mike, welcome. We are always glad to have new folks on the list. I am 
> Cindy Ray. I am not using a dog currently, but I've received them all 
> from The Seeing Eye.
> I am one of the moderators of the list, so if I can help you, write to 
> cindyray at gmail.com Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Rouillard via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 4:03 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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> Cc: Mike Rouillard <rouillardmike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction
>
> Hi, everyone,
> My name is Mike, and I'm new to the list. I got my first dog from GEB 
> named Daquiri over the summer. She sometimes poops in harness. How 
> would you suggest retraining her not to do that?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven 
> Tolliver via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 4:50 PM
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction
>
> The issue is not discerning between the sidewalk and a "parking spot."
> The issue is that your dog is relieving herself outside of when she is 
> given a cue that it is okay.
> I think the "no poop, no route," is a bit extreme. I understand you 
> don't want her to go on route, but you cannot force your dog to poop 
> in a certain place at the time you choose. She's gotta go when she's 
> gotta go, so if she only needs to poop after some exercise, it means 
> she'll likely not poop before walking some. And I dunno 'bout you, but 
> waiting for my dog to poop for 15-20 mins would get old fast.
>
> Perhaps you can work with reteaching your dog that the harness has to 
> come off before it is okay to poop. She learned this as a pup, but 
> perhaps a retraining of this concept should be in the works.
>
> I know you weren't expecting this. All of us have to do retraining to 
> some extent when we get dogs who didn't live in a house for 3-12 months.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you 
> have or what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
> On 12/1/15, Morgan Leland via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I agree that grass is preferable and dogs probably will not need to 
>> be trained for that. I was told that if you don't consistently use 
>> concrete in the beginning they may choose not to go on it again in 
>> the future, and in Arizona there will be times I have no other option 
>> than concrete. So, if she starts getting squeamish about going on 
>> concrete, we could have some real issues. I was worried that having 
>> her go on concrete was the reason she was choosing to use the 
>> sidewalk, but I have been assured by my trainers that is probably not the
case.
>> Because I have some flexibility now I am just going to try having her 
>> go and then do our routes. No poop, no route. Hopefully this gets 
>> resolved before things get real and I don't have much of a choice.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Now, I just had a driveway, steps, and a patio, but the term was 
>> concrete.
>> I
>> did not know that difference. The Seeing Eye's dog relieve on a hard 
>> surface, but I have never had one come home, see the grass in my 
>> yard, and say, "Ah, I think concrete is wonderful." It was more 
>> likely to say, "Ah, Grass!"
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
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>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 1:03 PM
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>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction
>>
>> Raven,
>>
>> Yes and no.  Cement is a component of concrete.  Most people use the 
>> terms
>> interchangeably to mean the same thing.   Concrete is a mixture of
>> cement,
>> water and fillers, usually crushed rock/gravel.  Cement alone is more 
>> expensive, but smoother when dry because there is no gravel filler 
>> mixed in.
>>
>> So cement might be used for say a swimming pool or roller skate rink, 
>> while concrete is used for sidewalks and most other applications.
>>
>> A dog isn't going to recognize the difference between cement and 
>> concrete.
>> Most people don't.  I never knew until doing a home project and 
>> looking like a dork at the home improvement store. *smile*
>>
>> I don't teach my dogs to relieve on concrete.  I've had very little 
>> problems with relieving in harness on route.  I don't know if that's 
>> related or coincidence.  I live in an area with abundant 
>> grass/gravel/woodchip/dirt readily available.  So as long as I 
>> continue to live in this sort of area, I will continue to not allow 
>> concrete relieving at any time.
>>
>> Julie
>> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is 
>> now available! Get the book here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Raven Tolliver via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 11:02 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Raven Tolliver
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>
>> Cement and concrete are 2 different things, aren't they? Just asking, 
>> 'cause I think those are 2 different surfaces.
>> --
>> Raven
>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>> www.1am-editing.com
>>
>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you 
>> have or what you do.
>>
>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>
>>> On 11/30/15, Debby Phillips via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Even in class, Nova would not poop on cement.  She would pee, 
>>> reluctantly.  Finally I just started taking her to some grass.
>>> My instructor said that there are some dogs who just will not go on 
>>> concrete, unless they are totally desperate.  We tried walking her 
>>> and walking her, I even resorted to singing.  Lol.  I'd never seen a 
>>> dog as stubborn about going on concrete, or not going, rather.  She 
>>> will go in dirt, which is good, because sometimes
>>> when away from home, that's all I've been able to find.    Debby
>>> and Nova who HATES pooping on concrete
>>
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