[nagdu] [nagdu) Welcome Mike!

Tue Dec 1 22:15:45 UTC 2015

Hello Mike,

Love your dogs name! Welcome to the list! You will learn a lot here
I'm sure and have fun too. Any questions, just ask. And don't forge
the archives too. There is a wealth of info there and you may find
answers to many of your questions. Iknow cuz I peruse them for various
lists from time to time. I am currently without a dog since my last,
the Golden Princess, died suddenly last year! Another is in the future
though I don't know when since I seem to be in a perpetual transition
of sorts.

On 12/1/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Mike, welcome. We are always glad to have new folks on the list. I am Cindy
> Ray. I am not using a dog currently, but I've received them all from The
> Seeing Eye.
> I am one of the moderators of the list, so if I can help you, write to
> cindyray at gmail.com
> Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rouillard
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 4:03 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Mike Rouillard <rouillardmike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction
>
> Hi, everyone,
> My name is Mike, and I'm new to the list. I got my first dog from GEB named
> Daquiri over the summer. She sometimes poops in harness. How would you
> suggest retraining her not to do that?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 4:50 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction
>
> The issue is not discerning between the sidewalk and a "parking spot."
> The issue is that your dog is relieving herself outside of when she is
> given
> a cue that it is okay.
> I think the "no poop, no route," is a bit extreme. I understand you don't
> want her to go on route, but you cannot force your dog to poop in a certain
> place at the time you choose. She's gotta go when she's gotta go, so if she
> only needs to poop after some exercise, it means she'll likely not poop
> before walking some. And I dunno 'bout you, but waiting for my dog to poop
> for 15-20 mins would get old fast.
>
> Perhaps you can work with reteaching your dog that the harness has to come
> off before it is okay to poop. She learned this as a pup, but perhaps a
> retraining of this concept should be in the works.
>
> I know you weren't expecting this. All of us have to do retraining to some
> extent when we get dogs who didn't live in a house for 3-12 months.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or
> what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
> On 12/1/15, Morgan Leland via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I agree that grass is preferable and dogs probably will not need to be
>> trained for that. I was told that if you don't consistently use
>> concrete in the beginning they may choose not to go on it again in the
>> future, and in Arizona there will be times I have no other option than
>> concrete. So, if she starts getting squeamish about going on concrete,
>> we could have some real issues. I was worried that having her go on
>> concrete was the reason she was choosing to use the sidewalk, but I
>> have been assured by my trainers that is probably not the case.
>> Because I have some flexibility now I am just going to try having her
>> go and then do our routes. No poop, no route. Hopefully this gets
>> resolved before things get real and I don't have much of a choice.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Now, I just had a driveway, steps, and a patio, but the term was
>> concrete.
>> I
>> did not know that difference. The Seeing Eye's dog relieve on a hard
>> surface, but I have never had one come home, see the grass in my yard,
>> and say, "Ah, I think concrete is wonderful." It was more likely to
>> say, "Ah, Grass!"
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 1:03 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving surfaces was Introduction
>>
>> Raven,
>>
>> Yes and no.  Cement is a component of concrete.  Most people use the
>> terms
>> interchangeably to mean the same thing.   Concrete is a mixture of
>> cement,
>> water and fillers, usually crushed rock/gravel.  Cement alone is more
>> expensive, but smoother when dry because there is no gravel filler
>> mixed in.
>>
>> So cement might be used for say a swimming pool or roller skate rink,
>> while concrete is used for sidewalks and most other applications.
>>
>> A dog isn't going to recognize the difference between cement and
>> concrete.
>> Most people don't.  I never knew until doing a home project and
>> looking like a dork at the home improvement store. *smile*
>>
>> I don't teach my dogs to relieve on concrete.  I've had very little
>> problems with relieving in harness on route.  I don't know if that's
>> related or coincidence.  I live in an area with abundant
>> grass/gravel/woodchip/dirt readily available.  So as long as I
>> continue to live in this sort of area, I will continue to not allow
>> concrete relieving at any time.
>>
>> Julie
>> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is
>> now available! Get the book here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Raven Tolliver via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 11:02 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Raven Tolliver
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>
>> Cement and concrete are 2 different things, aren't they? Just asking,
>> 'cause I think those are 2 different surfaces.
>> --
>> Raven
>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>> www.1am-editing.com
>>
>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>> have or what you do.
>>
>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>
>>> On 11/30/15, Debby Phillips via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Even in class, Nova would not poop on cement.  She would pee,
>>> reluctantly.  Finally I just started taking her to some grass.
>>> My instructor said that there are some dogs who just will not go on
>>> concrete, unless they are totally desperate.  We tried walking her
>>> and walking her, I even resorted to singing.  Lol.  I'd never seen a
>>> dog as stubborn about going on concrete, or not going, rather.  She
>>> will go in dirt, which is good, because sometimes
>>> when away from home, that's all I've been able to find.    Debby
>>> and Nova who HATES pooping on concrete
>>
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