[NAGDU] Tips please

Wed Dec 30 21:32:39 UTC 2015

ahhh, hmmm, i see.
well, sorry but, i stand by what i said.  imagine what she will have on her hands if she doesn’t work that dog for 4 more months?  
and, i think you can get rubber tips for the pinch collars, but, why is beyond me.  sort of takes away the effectiveness if you ask me.  
JMO

Vivianna

> On Dec 30, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think someone indicated that you can get rubber tips for them? Maybe I am confusing that with something else. Dar has heart issues and is concerned about that. The dog is very young and excited; Dar is a heart patient living in Montana. Now, I'd try a GL if I were in this dilemma, but Montana in winter with a young dog and a heart patient thing is kind of dicey. 
> Cindy Lou Ray
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> Hi.
> I am not certain that i understand what you are asking fully.  however, i think you have a very bored large dog on your hands.  are you working her?  daily?  how much?  Even though it’s winter, i work my dog.
> big dogs can be a handful.  perhaps you do not have the strength to handle her?
> while working i would do as others have suggested and use the gentle leader, halty, or pinch collar.  but, this is only when working.
> I tried the spikes on the front of my harness once, just to see if they worked, and, they do not phase my dog at all.  i use the pressure, release technique on the harness handle if my dog is pulling to hard.  also, pilot uses the word, easy, to steady the dog.
> and, just for everybody’s information, those spikes are metal.  well, at least mine are.  they look uncomfortable,  i have only tried them the once.
> Vivianna
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2015, at 2:52 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hello to everyone
>> I have half a heart when she starts jerking her head around to let me 
>> know she wants nothing to do on her nose, my heart after a struggle slows down If there are others on the list with this same problem, please speak up.
>> Please share what you do.
>> I know the day will come when she will decide this isn't worth doing this any more.
>> I don't have the halty if she wishes nothing over the nose I don't want to lose money.
>> I have done gentle leader as well as can't think of the name.
>> 
>> I received a message from a person last night that was not called for.
>> It was private, they would have been scolded if it hit the list.
>> I know how I was trained, where when the tricks of the trade don't work, then you trade tricks.
>> She is in a spot where it is will against will.
>> Smile,
>> we call er Molly because we leave a long leash on her letting it drag in the house so we know where she is.
>> Or I have it on my arm where she is under the desk.
>> This has helped some.
>> I just found a cord she thought might work for dinner.
>> Glad she didn't chew it all the way threw.
>> She can't climb on the desk any more because the leash tells on her.
>> I have lots of patients with her.
>> Again please heart patients come forward, it is ok to share what to do next.
>> We want to live as long as we can.
>> 
>> Original message:
>>> Sometimes, you just have to stick it out and prove to the dog that he doesn’t have a choice in wearing the gentle leader.
>> 
>>> I agree with others that either the gentle leader, a micro prong, and/or the chest strap from Pilot would help in this case.  Plus, lots and lots of obedience around food and good smells to reinforce who’s the boss.
>> 
>>> Your dog is young and still has some growing up to do, so all of this will take time.
>>> Cait
>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>> What do you mean by "she doesn't like anything on her nose"?
>>>> Most dogs kick up a fuss about the Gentle Leader, but, when they see 
>>>> it's not coming off, they give up.  On the other hand, my Ben didn't 
>>>> fuss about it, but would walk like a snail when he had it on, so I gave up.
>>>> Did Pilot issue you a GL?  Could you put it on her and leave it on 
>>>> for a bit, at home, where she couldn't cause you too much grief? 
>>>> Maybe put it on, and have her do obedience, or walk around with you, in or near your home.
>>>> Krokus is an awful scavenger, but the GL does tone it down to a 
>>>> manageable level.  It also calms him down when he feels like 
>>>> bounding along.  If you can convince Penny to wear it, it sounds like it would help.
>>>> Tracy
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina 
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>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:51 PM
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>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Tips please
>> 
>>>> I want to start by saying I am a heart patient, where after a good 
>>>> struggle I get quite tired.
>>>> I have my girl wearing the artin gale collar.
>>>> She doesn't like anything on her nose at all. Doesn't matter what it is.
>>>> She is a bit strong for me and I have to listen to my body.
>>>> Her nose lives on the ground or in a building of choice we are in at 
>>>> the time.
>>>> Making her sit, she realizes she lies down then she can sniff floor 
>>>> and pick up what is down there.
>>>> It can become quite frustrating.
>>>> Then there are days when she won't give me grief over it at all.
>>>> I don't want to keep buying stuff if I have to keep fighting her.
>>>> just thought I would send out a message and get some tips.
>>>> She wil also decide to pull hard like a truck, and your arm is 
>>>> wishing she would stop.
>>>> Other days she will walk nicely.
>>>> Thanks for reading.
>> 
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