[nagdu] Moving on was Re: debate between positive and or leash corrections

[Marsha Drenth]

Thank you Tina, 
And with that said, the meanie of a moderator I am, is officially asking that this thread and the topic move on to discussing other things. If your for one training method, great, if you disagree, great. I am not saying that you have to keep your opinion to yourself, or that you can't share that opinion, but this particular thread has gone on for a long time. I was hoping that as always threads eventually die. I am forcing the death of this thread. 
Let's please move on. 
Thank you, 

Marsha drenth, NAGDU List Moderator 
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> On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Tina Thomas via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Your absolutely right Debby. A lea correction is not a yank on the leash
> just as positive reinforcement isn't all about giving the dog a treat for
> any and all behaviors and or tasks. The more I have read on this list, I
> feel like I am dealing with the general public and their misconceptions and
> attitudes concerning the use and care of a guide dog. Seriously, what is
> going on. Rather you have a program trained dog or an owner trained dog, it
> is crucial that you familiarize yourself with different training methods so
> that you can make an informed choice on what works for you and your dog.
> This one size fits all model does not work in all situations. All this back
> and forth about whose right and whose wrong and which method is the best is
> ridiculous. It has been proven that both leash correction and positive
> reinforcement based methods  work depending on the situation. At the end of
> the day, all that matters, is that you and your dog are a solid  and safe
> working team.  JMO. 
> Tina and the girls                          
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby Phillips
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:16 AM
> To: Abigail Marie Bolling; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> Guide Dog Users; sheila.leigland at gmail.com; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Regarding Recent Messages
> 
> This is my last time to write on this, but I say again, leash corrections do
> not equate to "yanking" our dogs.  I don't think any of us who use leash
> corrections view that as our sole way of interacting with our dogs.  If it
> were, I doubt that we would be altogether successful as teams.  Just like
> children, dogs need boundaries, and they need to know what those boundaries
> are.  
> Dogs are pack animals, they need to know where they stand in the pack.  If
> my dog responds to verbal commands, then that is awesome, and I'm happy,
> she's happy and we go on our way.  But if she doesn't respond to verbal
> commands, then she needs to know that I'm serious about what I've commanded.
> We also have times of fun and play, and times (because I have a fenced yard)
> that she gets to run free with my retired guide.  Just because we don't
> always use "positive" reenforcement doesn't mean that we don't love and care
> for our dogs.  And to say that it's harsh to use corrections is just plain
> wrong.  Now I'll go lurk under my 
> rock.    Debby and Neena
> 
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