[nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Thu Jul 9 21:33:24 UTC 2015

  So now I?m confused: what does this mean for you guys with Guide dogs? 
That the dog is yours, or the schools? and upon the dog's retiring? Can 
you guys still keep the dog even though it belongs to the school?

El 09/07/2015 04:16 p.m., Michael Hingson via nagdu escribió:
> I have spoken with some delegates who told me that, as they should, they had
> to go with the majority of their member constituents. So again, we have lots
> of educating to do.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Michael Hingson
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
>
> Hi all,
>
> I understand the concept of viewing my guide as a "gift" which in some way
> it is. However, I prefer to view my guide as a service and team member that
> comes to me through the "gifts" of donors. So what happens if I agree to
> attend a school like the TSE which gives me ownership for $150. Are those
> dogs "gifts"?
>
> No school should have anything except for the highest expectations for ALL
> blind people. The non-passage of the resolution means we still have a long
> way to go.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of margo and isis
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 1:53 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: margo and isis
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
>
> Buddy, I ditto your remarks.  I am amazed and bewildered that our
> organization can take a position that promotes low expectations of blind
> people.
>
> We get involved in agencies' policies.  Why is so much of a problem to deal
> with guide dog schools' policies.  Why do we put them on a pedestal?  Why do
> we treat them as gods?
>
> Margo and isis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:31 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> Subject: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
>
> So the resolution re: guide dog ownership and the NFB's support of
> advocating for the schools to change of ownership just failed to pass. I'm
> amazed. I'm disappointed. I'm frankly puzzled. How is it that we believe
> policies saying it's OK for guide dog schools to retain ownership, and this
> apparently does not connote low expectations for blind people, when such a
> position in any other context would never stand?
>
> One thing that the folks who spoke in favor failed to mention, though I
> guess it wouldn't have helped, was this. Even if schools aren't routinely in
> the business of repossessing dogs without due process, the point is that
> they shouldn't have the ability to do so. It's great that it's never
> happened to most of us. It's fantastic that you feel as though you own your
> dog in every way that matters. But some day, the way things are now, this
> may not be the case, and we want to protect against that. After all, yes, we
> are essentially being given an expensive gift. Let's just for the sake of
> argument say that this is the case, though I know that there would be
> argument on that point. The point is, if the schools deem a student worthy
> of this gift, they should feel confident enough in this decision to give it
> without such reservations. If they do not, maybe they need better screening
> processes.
>
> I'm just flabbergasted.
>
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
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