[nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Fri Jul 10 02:14:06 UTC 2015

At present a number of guide dog schools do not automatically transfer
ownership to the consumer. Five schools do. The others range from a waiting
period to not at all.

Nothing changes with this resolution. The discussion will continue. 

Regards,

Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
via nagdu
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:33 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Gerardo Corripio
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

  So now I?m confused: what does this mean for you guys with Guide dogs? 
That the dog is yours, or the schools? and upon the dog's retiring? Can you
guys still keep the dog even though it belongs to the school?

El 09/07/2015 04:16 p.m., Michael Hingson via nagdu escribió:
> I have spoken with some delegates who told me that, as they should, 
> they had to go with the majority of their member constituents. So 
> again, we have lots of educating to do.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Hingson via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Michael Hingson
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
>
> Hi all,
>
> I understand the concept of viewing my guide as a "gift" which in some 
> way it is. However, I prefer to view my guide as a service and team 
> member that comes to me through the "gifts" of donors. So what happens 
> if I agree to attend a school like the TSE which gives me ownership 
> for $150. Are those dogs "gifts"?
>
> No school should have anything except for the highest expectations for 
> ALL blind people. The non-passage of the resolution means we still 
> have a long way to go.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of margo and 
> isis via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 1:53 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: margo and isis
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
>
> Buddy, I ditto your remarks.  I am amazed and bewildered that our 
> organization can take a position that promotes low expectations of 
> blind people.
>
> We get involved in agencies' policies.  Why is so much of a problem to 
> deal with guide dog schools' policies.  Why do we put them on a 
> pedestal?  Why do we treat them as gods?
>
> Margo and isis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy 
> Brannan via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:31 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> Subject: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
>
> So the resolution re: guide dog ownership and the NFB's support of 
> advocating for the schools to change of ownership just failed to pass. 
> I'm amazed. I'm disappointed. I'm frankly puzzled. How is it that we 
> believe policies saying it's OK for guide dog schools to retain 
> ownership, and this apparently does not connote low expectations for 
> blind people, when such a position in any other context would never stand?
>
> One thing that the folks who spoke in favor failed to mention, though 
> I guess it wouldn't have helped, was this. Even if schools aren't 
> routinely in the business of repossessing dogs without due process, 
> the point is that they shouldn't have the ability to do so. It's great 
> that it's never happened to most of us. It's fantastic that you feel 
> as though you own your dog in every way that matters. But some day, 
> the way things are now, this may not be the case, and we want to 
> protect against that. After all, yes, we are essentially being given 
> an expensive gift. Let's just for the sake of argument say that this 
> is the case, though I know that there would be argument on that point. 
> The point is, if the schools deem a student worthy of this gift, they 
> should feel confident enough in this decision to give it without such 
> reservations. If they do not, maybe they need better screening processes.
>
> I'm just flabbergasted.
>
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
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