[nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

[Michael Hingson]

Buddy, I understand and thought as much. Some do, however believe that. 


Regards,


Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
nagdu
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:28 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Buddy Brannan
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Michael,

I agree with you. I merely used that because someone else would use it as a
counterargument. 

--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: 814-860-3194 
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name




> On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Michael Hingson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I understand the concept of viewing my guide as a "gift" which in some way
> it is. However, I prefer to view my guide as a service and team member
that
> comes to me through the "gifts" of donors. So what happens if I agree to
> attend a school like the TSE which gives me ownership for $150. Are those
> dogs "gifts"? 
> 
> No school should have anything except for the highest expectations for ALL
> blind people. The non-passage of the resolution means we still have a long
> way to go. 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Michael Hingson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of margo and isis
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 1:53 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: margo and isis
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
> 
> Buddy, I ditto your remarks.  I am amazed and bewildered that our
> organization can take a position that promotes low expectations of blind
> people.  
> 
> We get involved in agencies' policies.  Why is so much of a problem to
deal
> with guide dog schools' policies.  Why do we put them on a pedestal?  Why
do
> we treat them as gods?
> 
> Margo and isis
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:31 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> Subject: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed
> 
> So the resolution re: guide dog ownership and the NFB's support of
> advocating for the schools to change of ownership just failed to pass. I'm
> amazed. I'm disappointed. I'm frankly puzzled. How is it that we believe
> policies saying it's OK for guide dog schools to retain ownership, and
this
> apparently does not connote low expectations for blind people, when such a
> position in any other context would never stand? 
> 
> One thing that the folks who spoke in favor failed to mention, though I
> guess it wouldn't have helped, was this. Even if schools aren't routinely
in
> the business of repossessing dogs without due process, the point is that
> they shouldn't have the ability to do so. It's great that it's never
> happened to most of us. It's fantastic that you feel as though you own
your
> dog in every way that matters. But some day, the way things are now, this
> may not be the case, and we want to protect against that. After all, yes,
we
> are essentially being given an expensive gift. Let's just for the sake of
> argument say that this is the case, though I know that there would be
> argument on that point. The point is, if the schools deem a student worthy
> of this gift, they should feel confident enough in this decision to give
it
> without such reservations. If they do not, maybe they need better
screening
> processes. 
> 
> I'm just flabbergasted. 
> 
> 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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