[nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

[margo and isis]

Ditto, Buddy.  I am a Seeing Eye graduate.  I happen to know of some abuse
and neglect cases Seeing Eye did investigate but then called animal control
and the dogs were taken by animal control.  Also, remember, the schools do
not have to accept a person back for another dog.

Margo and Isis

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
via nagdu
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:31 AM
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Cc: Buddy Brannan
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The membership has spoken, and I am disappointed

Marianne,

Your argument of concern for the well-being of the dogs doesn't make sense
to me. How does a conditional ownership, or *no* ownership, protect the
dog? How is a dog *less* protected by schools who transfer ownership
directly to the handler? The often referenced Inky case, of course, is what
Leader gives as its reason, or did in the past; yet, how long did that guy
have Inky before he kicked Inky to death in a drunken rage? It seems to me
that urging more thorough screening processes would be more likely to lead
to better homes for the dogs. Moreover, there are already, at least in most
places in the US, already legal recourse to have dogs removed from unsafe
or abusive homes. Why do we need another one? More to the point, why do we
need an *extra* one? Are blind people that much more likely to be abusive
to their dogs? 

Again, let me stress that I don't believe most programs are in the business
of capriciously removing dogs from their handlers. Let me also say that,
yes, I absolutely agree that there are people who have no business having
custody of, much less owning, a guide dog. But neither of those things
makes it right for the schools to be able to remove a dog at its sole and
absolute discretion for any reason. Just because this may not happen now,
the opportunity for it to happen shouldn't even exist at all. 

--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: 814-860-3194 
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name




> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Marianne Denning via nagdu
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Tina, I also thought the vote was no but I thought that might have
> been where I was sitting.  I voted no because my concern is for the
> well being of the dog.  Who speaks up for and protects them?
> 
> On 7/9/15, Tina Thomas via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Well to be truthfully honest it never should've went to a rollcall
states it
>> was obvious that the nose had it but hey somebody just couldn't take the
>> loss so they try to sneak it through by asking for a rollcall but thank
God
>> in the end democracy and justice prevailed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this went to a counted vote by the state delegates?  Where can I go
to
>>> see which state voted which way?
>>> 
>>> And was this announced on this list?  I honestly had no idea this
>>> resolution was being presented until it was way too late to talk to the
>>> people in my state about it.  Hopefully they know my thoughts on the
>>> subject, but I'm not there and it bothers me that I didn't know to be
able
>>> to explain my views beforehand.
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> 
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> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> (513) 607-6053
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