[nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

Sun Jul 12 20:10:38 UTC 2015

Michael:

I can't speak for other states, but here in 
Minnesota in blind rehab, we generally transfer 
ownership for equipment and software to the 
client when we deliver it to her.  Occasionally 
we don't, and we always haven't, but now we 
do.  Other states would be governed by their own rules and policies.

Personally I would not call a guide dog, or 
equipment a gift, even though the provider may pay for the majority of it.
Dave

At 02:08 PM 7/12/2015, you wrote:
>So here is another question: If we receive 
>products from our state rehab departments that 
>we use to gain employment do we own them or does 
>the state? Can the state, for example, take away 
>a Braille note it has given to a client or does 
>the client own it? I suspect that the state 
>could not come and take away a product or device 
>it has given to a client as part of her or his 
>"rehabilitation". Regards, Michael Hingson 
>-----Original Message----- From: nagdu 
>[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Buddy Brannan via nagdu Sent: Friday, July 10, 
>2015 2:35 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the 
>National Association of Guide Dog Users Cc: 
>Buddy Brannan Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got 
>vote correct on ownership. So,would you also 
>opine that, since blind people don't privately 
>pay for rehab training, say, from BISM, or an 
>NFB center, or the Helen Keller Institute (whose 
>name I probably got wrong), or the New York 
>Lighthouse, low expectations are OK, because 
>someone else is footing the bill, and we should 
>just be grateful to get what we get? If not, why 
>not, and what's the difference? Discuss. -- 
>Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 
>814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: 
>buddy at brannan.name > On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:09 
>PM, Howard J. Levine via nagdu 
><nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Please understand 
>I don't what government or state paying for our 
>guide dogs, in the united state there are more 
>then one schools and we have choices where we go 
>for a guide dog. What I was saying if want more 
>control then be an owner trained guide dog, if 
>you want can aford to pay some one to train a 
>dog for you then you can and no one cantell you 
>what you can do as long you don't brak any local 
>or state laws. When you go to school and some 
>one else is paying for guide dogs then you give 
>up some fredom that is just way it is in 
>life. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 
>nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>Behalf Of Leye-Shprintse Ãberg via nagdu > 
>Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 3:44 PM > To: NAGDU 
>Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
>Dog Users > Cc: Leye-Shprintse Ãberg > Subject: 
>Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on 
>ownership. > > BS'D > > Howard, > > How would 
>state (tax) funded guide dogs makes it more 
>realistic with ownerships of the dogs for the 
>handlers? (It's how I read your comment about 
>statefunded vs. charity funded guide dogs 
>anyway.) > > In Sweden, our guide dogs are 
>financed by the government (taxes) and we've no 
>ownerships; we've a disposal right to our dogs; 
>and personally, I think it sucks. > > 
>LeSholom, > Mlle Leye-Shprintse Ãberg > 
>Stockholm, SuÃ¨de > leyeshprintse at ymail.com > 
>http://www.leyeshprintse.com > EnvoyÃ© de mon 
>iPad > >> Le 10 juil. 2015 Ã  15:13, Howard J. 
>Levine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> a Ã©crit 
>: >> >> Hi from Howard and guide dog Rhett, the 
>NFB membership got it correct on the >> question 
>of ownership by the school. In the united states 
>we do not use >> public funds and the government 
>does not provide guide dogs to blind. The >> 
>schools use private funds and they answer to 
>ones who give of there private >> funds. The 
>ones who pay for our guide dogs call the shops, 
>it cost lot of >> money to provide guide dogs. 
>It cost about fifty thousand dollars to 
>provide >> guide to blind person. There is no 
>free lunches in world when you get >> something 
>for free or little to no cost you give something 
>up. If blind >> people want respect then we need 
>to come another way to fund cost of guide >> dog 
>teams in this country or just pull out your 
>check book and pay for guide >> dog if you want 
>owner ship that how simple it is. Just look at 
>what is going >> on in Greece you can't have 
>cake and eat it. Just look at our health care >> 
>system when it is free to all then you just get 
>crap. I don't care if I >> don't own my guide 
>dog I am happy that there are others who are 
>willing to >> pay and lay out large anounts 
>money so I can have guide dog. Where would we >> 
>be if there would not be others willing to give 
>funds so  we could have >> guide dogs free or 
>little cost. >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has 
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