[nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

Sun Jul 12 20:25:16 UTC 2015

Dave,

My point exactly. It shouldn't matter, guide dog or equipment. The agency,
whatever it is, provides something and the provision is free. 

Regards,

Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews via
nagdu
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 1:11 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: David Andrews
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.

Michael:

I can't speak for other states, but here in Minnesota in blind rehab, we
generally transfer ownership for equipment and software to the client when
we deliver it to her.  Occasionally we don't, and we always haven't, but now
we do.  Other states would be governed by their own rules and policies.

Personally I would not call a guide dog, or equipment a gift, even though
the provider may pay for the majority of it.
Dave

At 02:08 PM 7/12/2015, you wrote:
>So here is another question: If we receive products from our state 
>rehab departments that we use to gain employment do we own them or does 
>the state? Can the state, for example, take away a Braille note it has 
>given to a client or does the client own it? I suspect that the state 
>could not come and take away a product or device it has given to a 
>client as part of her or his "rehabilitation". Regards, Michael Hingson 
>-----Original Message----- From: nagdu 
>[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via nagdu 
>Sent: Friday, July 10,
>2015 2:35 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
>Dog Users Cc:
>Buddy Brannan Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on 
>ownership. So,would you also opine that, since blind people don't 
>privately pay for rehab training, say, from BISM, or an NFB center, or 
>the Helen Keller Institute (whose name I probably got wrong), or the 
>New York Lighthouse, low expectations are OK, because someone else is 
>footing the bill, and we should just be grateful to get what we get? If 
>not, why not, and what's the difference? Discuss. -- Buddy Brannan, 
>KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone:
>814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: 
>buddy at brannan.name > On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Howard J. Levine via 
>nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Please understand I don't what 
>government or state paying for our guide dogs, in the united state 
>there are more then one schools and we have choices where we go for a 
>guide dog. What I was saying if want more control then be an owner 
>trained guide dog, if you want can aford to pay some one to train a dog 
>for you then you can and no one cantell you what you can do as long you 
>don't brak any local or state laws. When you go to school and some one 
>else is paying for guide dogs then you give up some fredom that is just 
>way it is in life. > > -----Original Message----- > From:
>nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leye-Shprintse 
>Ãberg via nagdu >
>Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 3:44 PM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the 
>National Association of Guide Dog Users > Cc: Leye-Shprintse Ãberg > 
>Subject:
>Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership. > > BS'D > > Howard, 
>> > How would state (tax) funded guide dogs makes it more realistic 
>with ownerships of the dogs for the handlers? (It's how I read your 
>comment about statefunded vs. charity funded guide dogs
>anyway.) > > In Sweden, our guide dogs are financed by the government 
>(taxes) and we've no ownerships; we've a disposal right to our dogs; 
>and personally, I think it sucks. > > LeSholom, > Mlle Leye-Shprintse 
>Ãberg > Stockholm, SuÃ¨de > leyeshprintse at ymail.com > 
>http://www.leyeshprintse.com > EnvoyÃ© de mon iPad > >> Le 10 juil. 
>2015 Ã  15:13, Howard J.
>Levine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> a Ã©crit
>: >> >> Hi from Howard and guide dog Rhett, the NFB membership got it 
>correct on the >> question of ownership by the school. In the united 
>states we do not use >> public funds and the government does not 
>provide guide dogs to blind. The >> schools use private funds and they 
>answer to ones who give of there private >> funds. The ones who pay for 
>our guide dogs call the shops, it cost lot of >> money to provide guide 
>dogs.
>It cost about fifty thousand dollars to provide >> guide to blind 
>person. There is no free lunches in world when you get >> something for 
>free or little to no cost you give something up. If blind >> people 
>want respect then we need to come another way to fund cost of guide >> 
>dog teams in this country or just pull out your check book and pay for 
>guide >> dog if you want owner ship that how simple it is. Just look at 
>what is going >> on in Greece you can't have cake and eat it. Just look 
>at our health care >> system when it is free to all then you just get 
>crap. I don't care if I >> don't own my guide dog I am happy that there 
>are others who are willing to >> pay and lay out large anounts money so 
>I can have guide dog. Where would we >> be if there would not be others 
>willing to give funds so  we could have >> guide dogs free or little 
>cost. >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by 
>Avast antivirus software. >> http://www.avast.com >> 
>_______________________________________________ >> nagdu mailing list 
>>>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

_______________________________________________
nagdu mailing list
nagdu at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/info%40michaelhingson.com