[nagdu] Gifts

Sun Jul 12 21:05:58 UTC 2015

Hi Cindy, 
To me my dog is a gift. one of the best gifts I ever received. When 
someone buys you a gifts its your and if its jewelry , clothing or 
something else you would take care of it because it is a gift. Same with 
guide dogs and all the equipment they give us.. Its a gift that cost 
thousands of dollars. and these schools ask for nothing in return except 
take good care of the gift. 
Marilyn and Anna

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 04:52 PM, Cindy Ray via nagdu wrote:

> Why wouldn't you call a guide dog a gift? If not a gift, then what. I 
> hadn't
> ever thought of it that way before this week, but I am curious as to 
> what
> category it would fit into.
> Cindy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
> Andrews via
> nagdu
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:11 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: David Andrews
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership.
>
> Michael:
>
> I can't speak for other states, but here in Minnesota in blind rehab, 
> we
> generally transfer ownership for equipment and software to the client 
> when
> we deliver it to her.  Occasionally we don't, and we always haven't, 
> but now
> we do.  Other states would be governed by their own rules and 
> policies.
>
> Personally I would not call a guide dog, or equipment a gift, even 
> though
> the provider may pay for the majority of it.
> Dave
>
> At 02:08 PM 7/12/2015, you wrote:
>> So here is another question: If we receive products from our state 
>> rehab departments that we use to gain employment do we own them or 
>> does the state? Can the state, for example, take away a Braille note 
>> it has given to a client or does the client own it? I suspect that 
>> the state could not come and take away a product or device it has 
>> given to a client as part of her or his "rehabilitation". Regards, 
>> Michael Hingson -----Original Message----- From: nagdu 
>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via 
>> nagdu Sent: Friday, July 10,
>> 2015 2:35 PM To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of 
>> Guide Dog Users Cc:
>> Buddy Brannan Subject: Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on 
>> ownership. So,would you also opine that, since blind people don't 
>> privately pay for rehab training, say, from BISM, or an NFB center, 
>> or the Helen Keller Institute (whose name I probably got wrong), or 
>> the New York Lighthouse, low expectations are OK, because someone 
>> else is footing the bill, and we should just be grateful to get what 
>> we get? If not, why not, and what's the difference? Discuss. -- Buddy 
>> Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone:
>> 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On Jul 
>> 10, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Howard J. Levine via nagdu  wrote: > > Please 
>> understand I don't what government or state paying for our guide 
>> dogs, in the united state there are more then one schools and we have 
>> choices where we go for a guide dog. What I was saying if want more 
>> control then be an owner trained guide dog, if you want can aford to 
>> pay some one to train a dog for you then you can and no one cantell 
>> you what you can do as long you don't brak any local or state laws. 
>> When you go to school and some one else is paying for guide dogs then 
>> you give up some fredom that is just way it is in life. > > 
>> -----Original Message----- > From:
>> nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leye-Shprintse 
>> Ãberg via nagdu >
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 3:44 PM > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the 
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users > Cc: Leye-Shprintse Ãberg > 
>> Subject:
>> Re: [nagdu] The NFB got vote correct on ownership. > > BS'D > > 
>> Howard,
>>>> How would state (tax) funded guide dogs makes it more realistic
>> with ownerships of the dogs for the handlers? (It's how I read your 
>> comment about statefunded vs. charity funded guide dogs
>> anyway.) > > In Sweden, our guide dogs are financed by the government 
>> (taxes) and we've no ownerships; we've a disposal right to our dogs; 
>> and personally, I think it sucks. > > LeSholom, > Mlle Leye-Shprintse 
>> Ãberg > Stockholm, SuÃ¨de > leyeshprintse at ymail.com > 
>> http://www.leyeshprintse.com > EnvoyÃ© de mon iPad > >> Le 10 juil. 
>> 2015 Ã  15:13, Howard J.
>> Levine via nagdu  a Ã©crit
>> : >> >> Hi from Howard and guide dog Rhett, the NFB membership got it 
>> correct on the >> question of ownership by the school. In the united 
>> states we do not use >> public funds and the government does not 
>> provide guide dogs to blind. The >> schools use private funds and 
>> they answer to ones who give of there private >> funds. The ones who 
>> pay for our guide dogs call the shops, it cost lot of >> money to 
>> provide guide dogs.
>> It cost about fifty thousand dollars to provide >> guide to blind 
>> person. There is no free lunches in world when you get >> something 
>> for free or little to no cost you give something up. If blind >> 
>> people want respect then we need to come another way to fund cost of 
>> guide >> dog teams in this country or just pull out your check book 
>> and pay for guide >> dog if you want owner ship that how simple it 
>> is. Just look at what is going >> on in Greece you can't have cake 
>> and eat it. Just look at our health care >> system when it is free to 
>> all then you just get crap. I don't care if I >> don't own my guide 
>> dog I am happy that there are others who are willing to >> pay and 
>> lay out large anounts money so I can have guide dog. Where would we 
>> >> be if there would not be others willing to give funds so  we could 
>> have >> guide dogs free or little cost. >> >> >> >> --- >> This email 
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>
>          David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
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