[nagdu] dogs and canes
Star Gazer
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Thu Jul 16 15:16:25 UTC 2015
I've also only used the Ambutek canes, what are the advantage canes like? I seem to have missed that post.
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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Ledet via nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:12 PM
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Cc: Danielle Ledet
Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
I prefer constant contact but do best with a roller ball tip. since my current cane is now a bit too heavy for me on long walks I'm thinking the vibration plays a part in tiring me out as well, I'm gonna likely order a new shorter cane altogether with a roller ball tip and see if this helps. I do want to try the advantage cane as well that was mentioned yesterday. I have currently only used Ambutech and NFB. I was trained with 2point touch, constant contact, pencil grip, and trailing techniques as well and then went on to broaden my horizons with Structured Discovery. Thanks Al.
On 7/15/15, Jenine Stanley via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think one of the funniest encounters I had with a cane user was at
> the first NFB convention I attended in Dallas in 2008. I had my
> Lab/Poodle cross, Molly then and she had some seriously long legs,
> standing 26.5 inches at the shoulder.
>
> I was walking with one of my coworkers when someone crossed in front
> of us, Somehow Molly just stepped over and through the cane as the
> person very skillfully maneuvered past us and both of us kept right on
> going. All this happened while a sighted photographer with the NFB
> convention committee was bugging us to stop so he could take a picture
> of Molly. We were also on one of those 2 or 3 step stairways that used
> to be at the Hilton Anatole. Let’s just say my coworker was less than
> tactful at telling the photographer what he could do next.
> Jenine Stanley
> jeninems at wowway.com
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> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
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>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Danielle Burton via nagdu
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Julie on this one. I let my dog figure out where the
>> canes were because I knew I would be unable to tell where they were
>> most of the time because of hearing loss. The first day she was a
>> little shocked by all the cnes but quickly pulled herself together
>> and figured out what she needed to do to avoid the canes as best
>> shall could. We too, walked toward oncoing canes and she would move
>> to the side to go around them as they pssed. I also made a point not
>> to be stressed out. My dog would most likely shut down if she thought
>> I was stressed out and that was the last thing I needed. So needless
>> to say she ddid very well at convention and it was her first time at convention.
>> Daielle and Willa
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Julie McGinnity via nagdu
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My dog actually enjoys conventions, and my first dog did as well.
>>> Here are some of the things I do to make it easier on them.
>>>
>>> I do not stress out. Convention is one of my favorite times... I
>>> love the crowds, the people, and even the sound of the canes. I
>>> know not all of you love the crowds, but your dog senses your moods,
>>> so try to be in good spirits when you travel. If you are lost, do
>>> not take it out on the dog, and try not to be too stressed in the
>>> most crowded situations.
>>>
>>> Lots of praise... I give my dog praise much more at convention. I
>>> will even stop him just to tell him how good he is being. I tried
>>> to do this even more last year when my dog was so new, but it's
>>> always a good thing to remember.
>>>
>>> When I received my second dog last year, I told the trainers that I
>>> would be attending conventions. They gave me a dog who would enjoy
>>> such things. My first dog survived a year of high school, so I
>>> never had a doubt that she would do well at convention. She, like
>>> Danielle's dog, used the cold wet nose to move people out of her way.
>>> Yeah, she was pretty rude. My current dog isn't as rude, but he
>>> walks right at canes. I don't remember having a single incident
>>> with a cane user at this convention, where I actually hit the cane.
>>> I believe though that my dog did hit some, but I could never sense
>>> stress because of this.
>>>
>>> I know that we tend to break our rules at convention because it's a
>>> stressful time. I cannot break rules with my current dog. Allowing
>>> other guide dog users to pet him in harness, giving him more freedom
>>> than he is used to at home, will only make us more stressed in the
>>> long run because he will begin testing me for even more freedoms to
>>> which he is not accustomed.
>>>
>>> Bill and I had a couple incidents this year, but his behavior at
>>> convention improved so much that whatever I did this year must be
>>> working. Remember that each dog is different. Each dog has a
>>> different limit for stress and should be handled according to that.
>>> I expected my dog to learn where the canes were and get over the
>>> fact that the blind people won't get out of his way. It may seem
>>> harsh, but the quicker he learned, the easier he could navigate
>>> through the canes. I don't ever tell anyone that there is a dog in
>>> their path, unless we were in a crowded elevator. I assume that he
>>> will use his eyes to see the people coming and move if necessary,
>>> and it worked. I observed Bill moving away from people coming
>>> towards him on several occasions.
>>>
>>> I realize that this treatment would only stress some dogs out. But
>>> if you are open to it, leave your dog be to figure out the canes on
>>> his or her own. It always took my first dog a day or two to believe
>>> that they wouldn't move out of her way, but she did get it. These
>>> dogs are adaptable and intelligent creatures. Many of them can handle it.
>>>
>>>> On 7/15/15, Kaye Kipp via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Well, back in the 60's, that was the way they used to train people.
>>>> At least they did it that way where I got my training. I don't do
>>>> it that way now though.
>>>>
>>>> Kaye
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the thing I don't understand is why there is any reason to raise
>>>>> your cane up off the ground while using it. Why do so many cane
>>>>> users prefer to tap-tap rather than gliding their cane over the floor?
>>>>> Tapping sure helps other people know where a cane user is, that's
>>>>> for sure. But while that thing is in the air, it's practically a weapon.
>>>>> Gliding the cane is far more considerate of people and working dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> That tapping technique annoys me to no end, and I can't rely on
>>>>> that method anyway because I prefer to use a folding cane with the
>>>>> rolling ball tip. So if I did any tapping, I'd be replacing cane
>>>>> tips up the wall.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raven
>>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>>>
>>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what
>>>>> you have or what you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/14/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eva is still the same 53 pounds she was when I got her 15 months
>>>>>> ago so, she
>>>>>>
>>>>>> can have treats. I am careful how much food to feed her. If she
>>>>>> shows any
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sign of gaining weight, I cut the food a bit. I actually use
>>>>>> treat rewards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> when working her, especially when teaching her to find new places
>>>>>> such as we
>>>>>>
>>>>>> did last week in the hotel. I use very small low calorie treats
>>>>>> for this.
>>>>>> I give her medium bones to help keep her teeth and gums healthy.
>>>>>> Just as it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is with people, everything is fine in moderation. You don't have
>>>>>> to deprive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the dog, just be careful. I've done this with all my dogs for
>>>>>> forty years now and never had one of them be overweight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandra and Eva, who loves her treats
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Vivianna via nagdu
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 7:03 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Cc: Vivianna
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I say, how about some pats for the dogs and,, letā?Ts keep our
>>>>>> dogs nice and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fit and lay off the treats.
>>>>>> and, i saw the leftovers from dogs relieving themselves in the
>>>>>> hotel twice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:21 PM, S L Johnson via nagdu
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debby:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is a good idea. Some discussion of tips and tricks for
>>>>>>> canes ad dogs and convention would definitely help ease the
>>>>>>> stress for the people and the dogs. Even though I was at the
>>>>>>> plaza, I went back to my room in the afternoon to let Eva eat,
>>>>>>> play, rest and relax. Then we were off again.
>>>>>>> By
>>>>>>> the end of the week, I could tell she was a bit stressed and tired.
>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>> times I did wish for more volunteer help just so I could take
>>>>>>> the pressure off Eva and go sighted guide. That is definitely
>>>>>>> something that is needed for next year. Not having enough
>>>>>>> sighted help in a strange place adds to the stress. I was
>>>>>>> amazed at how well Eva worked and am extremely proud of her. I
>>>>>>> also second what you said about the other conventions. I used
>>>>>>> to be a member of that organization too and often encountered
>>>>>>> barking and growling dogs.
>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the NFB we did not have dogs relieving themselves in the hotel.
>>>>>>> So, as Debby said, give all the wonderful guide dogs an extra
>>>>>>> few treats and hugs for a job well done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandra and Eva
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Marianne Denning via nagdu
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 5:38 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did a few cane dances too. We tried to avoid them but it
>>>>>>> didn't always work. I think some tips and tricks for dog
>>>>>>> handlers and cane users might make the convention experience
>>>>>>> better. My dog was very stressed by the end of the convention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to commend all of the dogs and their handlers. I
>>>>>>> attended the other group's convention several years ago and
>>>>>>> almost every time we were in a large group one dog was start
>>>>>>> barking and then others would join in. I did not hear one dog
>>>>>>> bark at any of the general sessions or other meetings I
>>>>>>> attended. Everyone give your dog an extra treat for that.
>>>>>>> (smile)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/14/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eva and I hated all the canes too. Sometimes they would walk
>>>>>>>> three or four
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people all in a row not leaving the dog a safe path to travel.
>>>>>>>> When we were
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sitting in meetings the canes would hit Eva as she stayed
>>>>>>>> quietly tucked under my chair. The canes were horrible in the
>>>>>>>> exhibit hall. I especially
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> got upset when the cane user would keep hitting Eva when I had
>>>>>>>> told them she
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> was there. I can't tell you how many times she hid her head
>>>>>>>> behind my legs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to keep from being hit in the face by someone holding their
>>>>>>>> cane too high off the floor. When using a cane in a crowded
>>>>>>>> convention around guide dogs, the cane user should glide the
>>>>>>>> cane instead of lifting it up and tapping it. Eva ad I hate
>>>>>>>> hate hate canes, especially the extremely long ones loved by so
>>>>>>>> many cane users, they are a danger to the rest of us.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> was tripped and fell many times because of the canes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Debby Phillips via nagdu
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 10:39 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users ; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Cc: Debby Phillips ; jerupert at outlook.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jack, just seeing this. We're home now. Nova was a little
>>>>>>>> freaked out by all the canes, too. I just tried to talk softly
>>>>>>>> to her all the time, telling her what a good girl she was, and
>>>>>>>> encouraging her to keep walking. Her biggest issue was other
>>>>>>>> dogs. She was always wanting to pull over to visit. Who knows?
>>>>>>>> We might have come across each other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One suggestion for next time, and I did try to do this as much
>>>>>>>> as I could, but it was more difficult, as my husband and I were
>>>>>>>> at the Clarion. That is, give your dog some breaks. Go to
>>>>>>>> your room and just give him some down time; play with him a
>>>>>>>> bit. This will relax him, and you too maybe. Sometimes we
>>>>>>>> would find a semi quiet place to sit and just be together. A
>>>>>>>> friend of mine also got an extra key to her room and we would
>>>>>>>> go there sometimes too just to give Nova a time out. It's hard
>>>>>>>> to do with a busy convention schedule, but I decided a long
>>>>>>>> time ago that if my dog was stressed out, it was worth giving
>>>>>>>> her time to settle down and relax a little. Before I came to NFB, I was in ACB and have been
>>>>>>>> going to conventions on and off since 1981. Peace, Debby
>>>>>>>> and Nova
>>>>>>>>
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