[nagdu] dogs and canes
Tami Jarvis
tami at poodlemutt.com
Thu Jul 16 04:01:50 UTC 2015
Danielle,
I use the advantage and like it. It's lighter than the Ambutech. I do
have an Ambutech that's a bit shorter to cut down on weight that I use
for some things with a hiking tip. That tip is a large disk that does
nicely over rough ground and in gravel and stuff. It works better if I
remember where it is to grab it when I'm going on a hike. /lol/ I used
to like a marshmallow tip for the rough sidewalks around here, but then
when I'd go indoors, it was just too awkward. I need to suck it up and
order a few more roller ball tips for my advantage cane before the one I
have is worn down to nothing. This being between dogs is hard on the
cane tips, and I still need the cane to feel ups and downs on training
walks.
Tami
On 07/15/2015 07:11 PM, Danielle Ledet via nagdu wrote:
> I prefer constant contact but do best with a roller ball tip. since my
> current cane is now a bit too heavy for me on long walks I'm thinking
> the vibration plays a part in tiring me out as well, I'm gonna likely
> order a new shorter cane altogether with a roller ball tip and see if
> this helps. I do want to try the advantage cane as well that was
> mentioned yesterday. I have currently only used Ambutech and NFB. I
> was trained with 2point touch, constant contact, pencil grip, and
> trailing techniques as well and then went on to broaden my horizons
> with Structured Discovery. Thanks Al.
>
> On 7/15/15, Jenine Stanley via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I think one of the funniest encounters I had with a cane user was at the
>> first NFB convention I attended in Dallas in 2008. I had my Lab/Poodle
>> cross, Molly then and she had some seriously long legs, standing 26.5 inches
>> at the shoulder.
>>
>> I was walking with one of my coworkers when someone crossed in front of us,
>> Somehow Molly just stepped over and through the cane as the person very
>> skillfully maneuvered past us and both of us kept right on going. All this
>> happened while a sighted photographer with the NFB convention committee was
>> bugging us to stop so he could take a picture of Molly. We were also on one
>> of those 2 or 3 step stairways that used to be at the Hilton Anatole. Let’s
>> just say my coworker was less than tactful at telling the photographer what
>> he could do next.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>
>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Danielle Burton via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with Julie on this one. I let my dog figure out where the canes
>>> were because I knew I would be unable to tell where they were most of the
>>> time because of hearing loss. The first day she was a little shocked by
>>> all the cnes but quickly pulled herself together and figured out what she
>>> needed to do to avoid the canes as best shall could. We too, walked toward
>>> oncoing canes and she would move to the side to go around them as they
>>> pssed. I also made a point not to be stressed out. My dog would most
>>> likely shut down if she thought I was stressed out and that was the last
>>> thing I needed. So needless to say she ddid very well at convention and it
>>> was her first time at convention.
>>> Daielle and Willa
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Julie McGinnity via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> My dog actually enjoys conventions, and my first dog did as well.
>>>> Here are some of the things I do to make it easier on them.
>>>>
>>>> I do not stress out. Convention is one of my favorite times... I
>>>> love the crowds, the people, and even the sound of the canes. I know
>>>> not all of you love the crowds, but your dog senses your moods, so try
>>>> to be in good spirits when you travel. If you are lost, do not take
>>>> it out on the dog, and try not to be too stressed in the most crowded
>>>> situations.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of praise... I give my dog praise much more at convention. I
>>>> will even stop him just to tell him how good he is being. I tried to
>>>> do this even more last year when my dog was so new, but it's always a
>>>> good thing to remember.
>>>>
>>>> When I received my second dog last year, I told the trainers that I
>>>> would be attending conventions. They gave me a dog who would enjoy
>>>> such things. My first dog survived a year of high school, so I never
>>>> had a doubt that she would do well at convention. She, like
>>>> Danielle's dog, used the cold wet nose to move people out of her way.
>>>> Yeah, she was pretty rude. My current dog isn't as rude, but he walks
>>>> right at canes. I don't remember having a single incident with a cane
>>>> user at this convention, where I actually hit the cane. I believe
>>>> though that my dog did hit some, but I could never sense stress
>>>> because of this.
>>>>
>>>> I know that we tend to break our rules at convention because it's a
>>>> stressful time. I cannot break rules with my current dog. Allowing
>>>> other guide dog users to pet him in harness, giving him more freedom
>>>> than he is used to at home, will only make us more stressed in the
>>>> long run because he will begin testing me for even more freedoms to
>>>> which he is not accustomed.
>>>>
>>>> Bill and I had a couple incidents this year, but his behavior at
>>>> convention improved so much that whatever I did this year must be
>>>> working. Remember that each dog is different. Each dog has a
>>>> different limit for stress and should be handled according to that. I
>>>> expected my dog to learn where the canes were and get over the fact
>>>> that the blind people won't get out of his way. It may seem harsh,
>>>> but the quicker he learned, the easier he could navigate through the
>>>> canes. I don't ever tell anyone that there is a dog in their path,
>>>> unless we were in a crowded elevator. I assume that he will use his
>>>> eyes to see the people coming and move if necessary, and it worked. I
>>>> observed Bill moving away from people coming towards him on several
>>>> occasions.
>>>>
>>>> I realize that this treatment would only stress some dogs out. But if
>>>> you are open to it, leave your dog be to figure out the canes on his
>>>> or her own. It always took my first dog a day or two to believe that
>>>> they wouldn't move out of her way, but she did get it. These dogs are
>>>> adaptable and intelligent creatures. Many of them can handle it.
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/15, Kaye Kipp via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Well, back in the 60's, that was the way they used to train people. At
>>>>> least they did it that way where I got my training. I don't do it that
>>>>> way
>>>>> now though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kaye
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the thing I don't understand is why there is any reason to raise your
>>>>>> cane up off the ground while using it. Why do so many cane users
>>>>>> prefer to tap-tap rather than gliding their cane over the floor?
>>>>>> Tapping sure helps other people know where a cane user is, that's for
>>>>>> sure. But while that thing is in the air, it's practically a weapon.
>>>>>> Gliding the cane is far more considerate of people and working dogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That tapping technique annoys me to no end, and I can't rely on that
>>>>>> method anyway because I prefer to use a folding cane with the rolling
>>>>>> ball tip. So if I did any tapping, I'd be replacing cane tips up the
>>>>>> wall.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Raven
>>>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>>>>> have or what you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/14/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eva is still the same 53 pounds she was when I got her 15 months ago
>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can have treats. I am careful how much food to feed her. If she
>>>>>>> shows
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sign of gaining weight, I cut the food a bit. I actually use treat
>>>>>>> rewards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when working her, especially when teaching her to find new places such
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> did last week in the hotel. I use very small low calorie treats for
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>> I give her medium bones to help keep her teeth and gums healthy. Just
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is with people, everything is fine in moderation. You don't have to
>>>>>>> deprive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the dog, just be careful. I've done this with all my dogs for forty
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>> now and never had one of them be overweight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sandra and Eva, who loves her treats
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Vivianna via nagdu
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 7:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Cc: Vivianna
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I say, how about some pats for the dogs and,, letā?Ts keep our dogs
>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fit and lay off the treats.
>>>>>>> and, i saw the leftovers from dogs relieving themselves in the hotel
>>>>>>> twice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:21 PM, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Debby:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is a good idea. Some discussion of tips and tricks for canes ad
>>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>>> and convention would definitely help ease the stress for the people
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> dogs. Even though I was at the plaza, I went back to my room in the
>>>>>>>> afternoon to let Eva eat, play, rest and relax. Then we were off
>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>> By
>>>>>>>> the end of the week, I could tell she was a bit stressed and tired.
>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>> times I did wish for more volunteer help just so I could take the
>>>>>>>> pressure
>>>>>>>> off Eva and go sighted guide. That is definitely something that is
>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>> for next year. Not having enough sighted help in a strange place
>>>>>>>> adds
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the stress. I was
>>>>>>>> amazed at how well Eva worked and am extremely proud of her. I also
>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>> what you said about the other conventions. I used to be a member of
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> organization too and often encountered barking and growling dogs.
>>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the NFB we did not have dogs relieving themselves in the hotel. So,
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> Debby said, give all the wonderful guide dogs an extra few treats and
>>>>>>>> hugs
>>>>>>>> for a job well done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandra and Eva
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Marianne Denning via nagdu
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 5:38 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did a few cane dances too. We tried to avoid them but it didn't
>>>>>>>> always work. I think some tips and tricks for dog handlers and cane
>>>>>>>> users might make the convention experience better. My dog was very
>>>>>>>> stressed by the end of the convention.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to commend all of the dogs and their handlers. I attended the
>>>>>>>> other group's convention several years ago and almost every time we
>>>>>>>> were in a large group one dog was start barking and then others would
>>>>>>>> join in. I did not hear one dog bark at any of the general sessions
>>>>>>>> or other meetings I attended. Everyone give your dog an extra treat
>>>>>>>> for that. (smile)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eva and I hated all the canes too. Sometimes they would walk three
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> four
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> people all in a row not leaving the dog a safe path to travel. When
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sitting in meetings the canes would hit Eva as she stayed quietly
>>>>>>>>> tucked
>>>>>>>>> under my chair. The canes were horrible in the exhibit hall. I
>>>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> got upset when the cane user would keep hitting Eva when I had told
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> was there. I can't tell you how many times she hid her head behind
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> legs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to keep from being hit in the face by someone holding their cane too
>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>> off the floor. When using a cane in a crowded convention around
>>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>>> dogs, the cane user should glide the cane instead of lifting it up
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> tapping it. Eva ad I hate hate hate canes, especially the extremely
>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>> ones loved by so many cane users, they are a danger to the rest of
>>>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> was tripped and fell many times because of the canes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Debby Phillips via nagdu
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 10:39 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users ;
>>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Debby Phillips ; jerupert at outlook.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dogs and canes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jack, just seeing this. We're home now. Nova was a little
>>>>>>>>> freaked out by all the canes, too. I just tried to talk softly
>>>>>>>>> to her all the time, telling her what a good girl she was, and
>>>>>>>>> encouraging her to keep walking. Her biggest issue was other
>>>>>>>>> dogs. She was always wanting to pull over to visit. Who knows?
>>>>>>>>> We might have come across each other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One suggestion for next time, and I did try to do this as much as
>>>>>>>>> I could, but it was more difficult, as my husband and I were at
>>>>>>>>> the Clarion. That is, give your dog some breaks. Go to your
>>>>>>>>> room and just give him some down time; play with him a bit. This
>>>>>>>>> will relax him, and you too maybe. Sometimes we would find a
>>>>>>>>> semi quiet place to sit and just be together. A friend of mine
>>>>>>>>> also got an extra key to her room and we would go there sometimes
>>>>>>>>> too just to give Nova a time out. It's hard to do with a busy
>>>>>>>>> convention schedule, but I decided a long time ago that if my dog
>>>>>>>>> was stressed out, it was worth giving her time to settle down and
>>>>>>>>> relax a little. Before I came to NFB, I was in ACB and have been
>>>>>>>>> going to conventions on and off since 1981. Peace, Debby
>>>>>>>>> and Nova
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> Julie McGinnity
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of Missouri second vice president,
>>>> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President
>>>> graduate, Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
>>>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>>>> 2 Cor. 7
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