[nagdu] Rabies tag only no local license should be required.

Bridget Walker bridgetawalker13 at aol.com
Fri Jul 31 02:15:54 UTC 2015 

When and if we have to start presenting documentation is when I will no longer be a guide dog handler. My dog helps me in several ways but, I'm not going to give up my right to privacy just so I can have the reliability, efficiency, and improved quality of travel my guide dog provides me.
I  am always told I don't look "disabled". So when the harness isn't enough, what are we to do?
Why are we even considering this? Florida has the right idea. Punish the people who say they are disabled. 
Bridget  
 
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> On Jul 30, 27 Heisei, at 7:57 PM, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Christina,
> 
>    One key element many overlook when arguing the case for
> identification is that the implementing regulations of the ADA specifically
> state that, generally, no inquiries should be made when it is obvious the
> dog is a service animal, such as it is observed guiding a person who is
> blind or pulling a wheelchair. A training program i.d. is like an appendix;
> it serves no purpose! I disagree that we should be presenting documentation
> for our guide dogs just because we have it. Some training programs advise
> that we should present identification when asked; however, this is based
> upon antiquated practices and beliefs that are pre-ADA when most state laws
> required that one prove their dog was from an accredited institution. Though
> some states still have these requirements on the books, they are not
> congruent with the ADA and are, therefore, unenforceable. I am of the
> opinion that one way to curb the problem of fake service animals - and I am
> not convinced there is such a problem - is to refuse the showing of I.D.
> and, instead, educate places of public accommodation about what questions
> they can ask to assess if a dog is a service animal or not. Many of the
> impostors have fake i.d.'s but cannot answer the allowed questions. 
> 
>    This being said, there are times when an i.d. is necessary, such as
> when asking for a concession on local animal registration fees and tax
> exemptions for service animal expenses. In such cases, proof that the animal
> is a service animal may be required. 
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 3:57 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Christina Moore
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rabies tag only no local license should be required.
> 
> I understand what you're saying. However, if you're in the same town when
> you are in New York and in the same town when you're in Florida then how
> much is it really costing to get a license for both locations? Probably at
> most $16-$20. Could be less considering it is a service dog and some  places
> are known to give licenses for free.
> I do not have a problem with showing the ID from my guy dog school (they
> would not give it to me just to give it to me). I believe that we should not
> have a license specifically for our service dogs however we should be
> licensed like any other person with a dog in the town.
> --Christina
> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 14:37, Howard J. Levine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi from Howard and Rhett, I agree with thatt we should have rabies tag 
>> only and no local dog licese. The reason for this is I travel lot and 
>> if I want to spend the winter in Florida thay could say you need a dog 
>> license if I stay down there for more then a month or two and what 
>> about New York where I live most of year. You might need more then one 
>> license. I have Rabies tag, because I see the vet at least twice a 
>> year. I take good care of my service dog, most guide dogs are well 
>> taken care of so there is no meed to have a local town to know that I have
> service dog.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy 
>> VanderBrink via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:23 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rabies tag only no local license should be required.
>> 
>> I see the need for having a license. The local municipality wants to 
>> know what kind of dogs are in town and I believe that is important for 
>> outbreaks of rabies and other sorts of diseases that are easily
> transmitted by dogs.
>> I also don't think that we should be subjected to extra scrutiny just 
>> because we have a legitimate service dog. The issue I think we all 
>> come up with is what do we as handlers do when we are faced with 
>> people that are not legitimate service dogs. When I was in college 
>> there was an employee that had a dog that was a "emotional support dog 
>> " my then Labrador guy dog and I encountered this dog in a meeting 
>> space at one point, and her dog would not stop barking. Rather than 
>> removing the dog, she asked me to move. I flatly told her absolutely 
>> not, I was legally allowed to have my dog on the premises, and she 
>> needed to be the one to get her dog under control. Luckily for me, I 
>> never had to deal with this employee as a student, however by standing 
>> up for my rights I incurred a rather negative reputation from people 
>> that were positive thinking toward her. However, the disabilities 
>> department stood behind me as I was expressing the right that I had 
>> been granted by having an accredited dog. Therefore, she was 
>> instructed to leave her dog in her office. Although, why no one ever
> investigated her actually meeting the dog on campus, I will never know.
>> I am going to say something controversial, I don't personally have a 
>> problem showing my ID that I received from my guy dog school. I 
>> figure, there is a reason that they gave it to me in the first place. 
>> If the reason is to mitigate some concern about the legitimacy of my 
>> dog, then I have no problem showing that. Perhaps I shouldn't have to, 
>> but perhaps we shouldn't have to do a lot of things in this world.
>> Frankly, I think if there was some way of putting it on my ID that I 
>> get from the state that I have a service dog, it would negate this 
>> problem in the first place because therefore, a person that did not 
>> have a legitimate service dog would not have that on their 
>> legitimately issued identification card. However, that is my lowly
> opinion.
>> As I understand it, a lot of the reason for that not being there in 
>> the first place has to do with privacy, but when I walk outside with 
>> either a cane or my guy dog, I lose that element of privacy because 
>> then everyone knows that I have some sort of visual disability. For 
>> the folks that have invisible disabilities I see this as being more of 
>> a problem frankly I don't really think it should matter one way or the 
>> other but Society as a whole likes to put labels on things and 
>> unfortunately I don't think there's anything we can do about that.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Nancy V. Irwin
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Christina Moore via nagdu 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree with you on this. However, I do think that we should have a 
>>> tag
>> for our dogs like every other person. The rabies tag and the license 
>> tag for the town. Both of those are not specific to the dog being a 
>> service dog and would not be violating any of the ADA (that I know of).
>>> I believe is handlers we should have our freedom to take our dogs 
>>> just
>> about anywhere (except obvious places) and that we should not be 
>> subjected to additional screenings, identification requirements etc.
>>> However, I have been trying to figure out what we as handlers and the
>> public can do to stop people that are saying Their pet is a service 
>> dog when it is not.
>>> 
>>> --Christina
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 11:53, Raven Tolliver via nagdu 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The way I see it, so long as my dog and I are minding our own 
>>>> business, nobody should ask for any tags or ID. I don't think I 
>>>> should be grilled for coming through the door or entrance with a 
>>>> guide dog unless we pose apparent danger to patrons and employees.
>>>> People really want to regulate the heck out of everything.
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>> 
>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you 
>>>> have or what you do.
>>>> 
>>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/28/15, Howard J. Levine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> The only tag that should be required is a Rabies tag. If you would 
>>>>> need local license then you would need show Id to prove that you 
>>>>> are out of town.
>>>>> We should fight to change DOJ on this matter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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