[nagdu] Rabies tag only no local license should be required.

Thu Jul 30 21:56:11 UTC 2015

Nancy, 
I realize that showing the ID works for you.  However, when you show it, by your action, you are actually making it harder for the next service dog team that comes behind you.  
When you show the ID, the business owner, or gate keeper will probably then assume that all "real" service dog partners teams will have this documentation.  Some of us do not have it, some of us have it, and do not wish to show it.  
So when I come behind you, and the gate keeper asks for my ID, I will then have to spend moments of my time educating him or her.  
And yes, I can go on the internet, or down to Kinkos and print one up and can flash it around to make life easier for myself.  
However, it is not required by law.  And I feel like I have an obligation, to business owners, gate keepers, and yes, to my fellow PWD to educate people about the laws and the rights and responsibilities of sd handler teams.  
Also, while you may feel like you have no privacy, because your disability is apparent by looking, this is not the case for everyone.  
If someone has diabetes with a medical alert/response dog, or is deaf or hard of hearing with a hearing dog, they should have the right to keep this information private. 
Just another way to look at things. 

 Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 30, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I see the need for having a license. The local municipality wants to know what kind of dogs are in town and I believe that is important for outbreaks of rabies and other sorts of diseases that are easily transmitted by dogs.  I also don't think that we should be subjected to extra scrutiny just because we have a legitimate service dog. The issue I think we all come up with is what do we as handlers do when we are faced with people that are not legitimate service dogs. When I was in college there was an employee that had a dog that was a "emotional support dog " my then Labrador guy dog and I encountered this dog in a meeting space at one point, and her dog would not stop barking. Rather than removing the dog, she asked me to move. I flatly told her absolutely not, I was legally allowed to have my dog on the premises, and she needed to be the one to get her dog under control. Luckily for me, I never had to deal with this employee as a student, however by standing up for my rights I incurred a rather negative reputation from people that were positive thinking toward her. However, the disabilities department stood behind me as I was expressing the right that I had been granted by having an accredited dog. Therefore, she was instructed to leave her dog in her office. Although, why no one ever investigated her actually meeting the dog on campus, I will never know.
> I am going to say something controversial, I don't personally have a problem showing my ID that I received from my guy dog school. I figure, there is a reason that they gave it to me in the first place. If the reason is to mitigate some concern about the legitimacy of my dog, then I have no problem showing that. Perhaps I shouldn't have to, but perhaps we shouldn't have to do a lot of things in this world.
> Frankly, I think if there was some way of putting it on my ID that I get from the state that I have a service dog, it would negate this problem in the first place because therefore, a person that did not have a legitimate service dog would not have that on their legitimately issued identification card. However, that is my lowly opinion. 
> As I understand it, a lot of the reason for that not being there in the first place has to do with privacy, but when I walk outside with either a cane or my guy dog, I lose that element of privacy because then everyone knows that I have some sort of visual disability. For the folks that have invisible disabilities I see this as being more of a problem frankly I don't really think it should matter one way or the other but Society as a whole likes to put labels on things and unfortunately I don't think there's anything we can do about that.
> 
> Thanks,
> Nancy V. Irwin
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Christina Moore via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with you on this. However, I do think that we should have a tag for our dogs like every other person. The rabies tag and the license tag for the town. Both of those are not specific to the dog being a service dog and would not be violating any of the ADA (that I know of).
>> I believe is handlers we should have our freedom to take our dogs just about anywhere (except obvious places) and that we should not be subjected to additional screenings, identification requirements etc.
>> However, I have been trying to figure out what we as handlers and the public can do to stop people that are saying Their pet is a service dog when it is not.
>> 
>> --Christina
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 11:53, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The way I see it, so long as my dog and I are minding our own
>>> business, nobody should ask for any tags or ID. I don't think I should
>>> be grilled for coming through the door or entrance with a guide dog
>>> unless we pose apparent danger to patrons and employees.
>>> People really want to regulate the heck out of everything.
>>> -- 
>>> Raven
>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>> 
>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>> have or what you do.
>>> 
>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>> 
>>>> On 7/28/15, Howard J. Levine via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> The only tag that should be required is a Rabies tag. If you would need
>>>> local license then you would need show Id to prove that you are out of
>>>> town.
>>>> We should fight to change DOJ on this matter.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>> http://www.avast.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nagdu:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/ravend729%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/vandyvanderbrink%40outlook.com
> _______________________________________________
> nagdu mailing list
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/pawpower4me%40gmail.com