[nagdu] Flat curbs

Thu Jun 11 17:39:41 UTC 2015

When I got dogs from San Rafael, where there were a lot of flat curbs, the
dogs were very good with them.  I think they looked at the color change,
because they would sometimes stop for a color change on the sidewalk, in
case it was a curb.
I think Krokus and I only encountered one flat curb in Morristown, and he
did well with it, but it was on a route he'd been trained on.  Here, we have
very few, and most of the ones we do have have the foot braille (great term,
Rox), and he stops for that.
Tracy

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Flat curbs

Raven,
I'm also curious about this.  My neighborhood is full of these curbs, and my
dogs are trained with them from the start, so I would not expect them to
have trouble.  I'm wondering if dogs who are trained with the standard cut
curbs get much exposure to the blended curbs.  Also, I wonder if, in their
dog mind, they relate stoping with a change in elevation and not with color,
or contrast.  I think my dogs do like you suggest, and stop for color from
sidewalk to street, or they will always stop on the foot braille/ trunkated
domes. 

I'm just not clear on the kind of training programs put into this skill. 

 Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Why are  these a challenge for some guide dogs? I mean, it was a 
> challenge for the Golden Guy in the winter because everything was 
> blanketed in white. But There are a number of places around Michigan 
> with the flush curbs, and he does just fine when there's no snow.
> I thought the dogs are trained to look for a change in color, not just 
> a change in elevation. This is why they'll stop at parking lots too, 
> not just street crossings. Am I mistaken about this?
> --
> Raven
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>> On 6/11/15, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Daryl.
>> Some of the curbs in downtown Great Falls are totally flat, no 
>> difference between the sidewalk and the street that I could tell.  If 
>> I lived there, I'd lobby for at least putting in those rubber bumps.  
>> We have some of those here where I live, and in some cases they're 
>> pretty helpful in marking the part of the curb where the crosswalk 
>> is.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl 
>> Marie via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:11 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Daryl Marie
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Krokus's adventure
>> 
>> Tracy,
>> 
>> jenny loved Montana too when we were there last year. She didn't get 
>> sick, but her stool was quite runny, and we think it might have been 
>> the change in water. But sounds like he had a great time!
>> 
>> What do you mean by "flat" curbs? If they are what I'm picturing, 
>> Jenny had the same problem in Toronto where there was little or no 
>> difference between the concrete of the sidewalk and the concrete of 
>> the road (not just a wheelchair access ramp, but NO difference); freaked
people out...
>> 
>> Daryl
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Carcione via nagdu 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association 
>> of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Tracy Carcione 
>> <carcione at access.net>
>> Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 06:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [nagdu] Krokus's 
>> adventure  My husband and I just got back from a vacation, visiting 
>> my sister at our folks' old place in Montana. It was Krokus's first 
>> plane trip, but he handled it like a pro. He even used the indoor 
>> relief area at the Minneapolis airport. Poky Krokie transformed into 
>> superspeedy Krokus. He actually pulled hard, which he never does, and 
>> I had to steady him, which I've never done before. I hope he keeps 
>> some speediness, now we're back home. However, it's getting very hot, 
>> so we'll see. He had a wonderful time, sniffing around the big yard, 
>> smelling rabbits, digging in molehills, eating grass and 
>> Goddess-knows-what. I heard him pulling up grass like a cow. Or he'd 
>> just stand and sniff the wind, blowing  across the prairie. He 
>> enjoyed lying near me, hanging out in the shade, too. He threw up the 
>> first night, but I think it was just all the excitement, because he 
>> was fine after that. We both enjoyed zipping along wide, fairly 
>> uncrowded sidewalks. There are a few places around here like that, 
>> but not too many. He didn't do great with the very flat curbs, but 
>> there aren't really any around here, so he hasn't have much 
>> experience with them. Anyway, we had a great time, and he was a good boy,
despite being a
>> very excited puppy. Tracy
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