[nagdu] Flat curbs

Thu Jun 11 17:50:49 UTC 2015

We have a couple of flat curbs downtown.  I always have to pattern my dogs 
to stop there.  After I show them what I want, they do fine.  Just to be 
clear, I'm not talking about your typical blended curb.  Those are very 
common and my dogs do fine, as I expect most others dogs do.  What I think 
of when people say a flat curb is a vast expanse of cement with no curb of 
any variety anywhere near the corner.  There is one corner downtown that is 
parking lot nearly to the street.  To the best of my knowledge there is no 
color change, except for some long ago painted lines.   With no color 
change, no elevation change, no grass edging or even a sign post  it is 
difficult to know where the sidewalk ends and the street begins.

Julie

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From: The Pawpower Pack via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Flat curbs

Raven,
I'm also curious about this.  My neighborhood is full of these curbs, and my 
dogs are trained with them from the start, so I would not expect them to 
have trouble.  I'm wondering if dogs who are trained with the standard cut 
curbs get much exposure to the blended curbs.  Also, I wonder if, in their 
dog mind, they relate stoping with a change in elevation and not with color, 
or contrast.  I think my dogs do like you suggest, and stop for color from 
sidewalk to street, or they will always stop on the foot braille/ trunkated 
domes.

I'm just not clear on the kind of training programs put into this skill.

Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Why are  these a challenge for some guide dogs? I mean, it was a
> challenge for the Golden Guy in the winter because everything was
> blanketed in white. But There are a number of places around Michigan
> with the flush curbs, and he does just fine when there's no snow.
> I thought the dogs are trained to look for a change in color, not just
> a change in elevation. This is why they'll stop at parking lots too,
> not just street crossings. Am I mistaken about this?
> -- 
> Raven
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>> On 6/11/15, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Daryl.
>> Some of the curbs in downtown Great Falls are totally flat, no difference
>> between the sidewalk and the street that I could tell.  If I lived there,
>> I'd lobby for at least putting in those rubber bumps.  We have some of
>> those
>> here where I live, and in some cases they're pretty helpful in marking 
>> the
>> part of the curb where the crosswalk is.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie 
>> via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:11 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Daryl Marie
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Krokus's adventure
>>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> jenny loved Montana too when we were there last year. She didn't get 
>> sick,
>> but her stool was quite runny, and we think it might have been the change
>> in
>> water. But sounds like he had a great time!
>>
>> What do you mean by "flat" curbs? If they are what I'm picturing, Jenny 
>> had
>> the same problem in Toronto where there was little or no difference 
>> between
>> the concrete of the sidewalk and the concrete of the road (not just a
>> wheelchair access ramp, but NO difference); freaked people out...
>>
>> Daryl
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Carcione via nagdu
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>> Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>> <carcione at access.net>
>> Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 06:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [nagdu] Krokus's
>> adventure  My husband and I just got back from a vacation, visiting my
>> sister at our folks' old place in Montana. It was Krokus's first plane
>> trip,
>> but he handled it like a pro. He even used the indoor relief area at the
>> Minneapolis airport. Poky Krokie transformed into superspeedy Krokus. He
>> actually pulled hard, which he never does, and I had to steady him, which
>> I've never done before. I hope he keeps some speediness, now we're back
>> home. However, it's getting very hot, so we'll see. He had a wonderful
>> time,
>> sniffing around the big yard, smelling rabbits, digging in molehills,
>> eating
>> grass and Goddess-knows-what. I heard him pulling up grass like a cow. Or
>> he'd just stand and sniff the wind, blowing
>>  across the prairie. He enjoyed lying near me, hanging out in the shade,
>> too. He threw up the first night, but I think it was just all the
>> excitement, because he was fine after that. We both enjoyed zipping along
>> wide, fairly uncrowded sidewalks. There are a few places around here like
>> that, but not too many. He didn't do great with the very flat curbs, but
>> there aren't really any around here, so he hasn't have much experience 
>> with
>> them. Anyway, we had a great time, and he was a good boy, despite being a
>> very excited puppy. Tracy 
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