[nagdu] Allergies and Dog Foods Dog
Marsha Drenth
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Sat Jun 13 00:25:46 UTC 2015
At this point, there was a civil conversation happening. Next time, Rebecca, add comments that would enhance the topic, not create drama.
Thank you!
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> On Jun 12, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I was just being silly ladies. I'm sorry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> nagdu
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: S L Johnson
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergies and Dog Foods Dog
>
> I said we would have to agree to disagree. I am sure there are many other
> opinions. I was just telling you what my vet said and what I think. I
> don't want to start a fight. I thought we could have an open honest
> discussion that will help everyone. .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Star Gazer via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:29 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Star Gazer
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergies and Dog Foods Dog
>
> Fight! Fight! Sandra V. Raven!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> nagdu
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:10 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: S L Johnson
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergies and Dog Foods Dog
>
> Hi,
>
> As my vet said, the inaccurate unfounded ravings of a health nut. This
> natural so called healthy stuff is just an advertising gimmick to try and
> con people into purchasing higher priced items for themselves and their
> pets. My vet said she has compared the food labels and found many of the so
> called healthier choices to be nutritionally incomplete or unbalanced. She
> also said that many of them had a calorie count per cup of twice the
> standard foods. She's seen far too many fat unhealthy dogs whose owners
> were feeding the so called healthier foods. Remember, just because you read
> it on the internet or in a magazine, that doesn't make it true or accurate.
> I know I will continue to trust the veterinarians because they have many
> years of education and experience to back them up. I have discussed this
> with many vets in my forty years of working a guide dog and I know my vet is
> totally correct in what she has told me. I have complete confidence that
> she will do what is best for Eva. Both vets in the office agree with my
> food and treat choices and Eva's treatment plan. They treat their own
> allergic dogs the same as they are treating Eva. Obviously everyone has to
> make their own decisions but, you health nuts please stop condemning the
> rest of us normal folks. We love our dogs as much as you do and are doing
> what we think is best. I guess this is one subject where we will have to
> agree to disagree.
>
> Sandra and Eva
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raven Tolliver via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 5:24 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Raven Tolliver
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergies and Dog Foods Dog
>
> the real reason allergies and auto-immune conditions have run rampid in both
> people and their pets is because we have strayed from the foundation of
> health, which is diet. A good diet creates good health.
> We are not unhealthy because of a medication deficiency. We are unhealthy
> because of a nutrient deficiency and an increase in unhealthy substances.
> The majority of your immune system is in your gut. Nothing has power over
> your gut health like your diet. There is an increasing amount of research on
> how the gut microbiome effects the body's overall health.
> The microorganisms in your gut effect your skin health, brain health, heart
> health, and every area of the body. Your gut controls what substances are
> foreign and must be eliminated or isolated, which nutrients should be
> absorbed, and determines what your body can and cannot handle internally.
> Allergies are a sign that something is being put into the body that the body
> cannot absorb. The allergic reaction is your body attempting to fight off
> whatever assailant has arrived on the seen. This could be a virus, a toxic
> chemical you've inhaled, or a food you've ingested.
> The best way to get rid of allergies is to avoid those factors which trigger
> the allergic response.
> Unfortunately, people don't recognize what these factors are. This is how we
> get doctors and vets blaming environmental issues, when really it is the
> food you eat, the soap you use on your skin, and the chemicals you clean
> with. We have set up our bodies to be allergic organisms because we don't
> support our guts, or our immune systems.
> Life would be easier if we didn't have to concern ourselves with what we put
> in and on our bodies. But those are the things that make the most
> difference.
> The best ways to support the immune system are to eat a diet free of
> processed foods, to only use skin care products that you can eat, and to
> clean with nontoxic chemicals. If you eat or use anything processed,
> containing additives, preservatives, and synthetic nutrients, fragrances,
> and flavorings, you are consuming products that are contributing to ill
> health.
> Does it cost more to live a healthier lifestyle. Not always, but typically,
> yes. But when you don't pay for quality food, you are paying for poor
> health. This is not a moral judgment, this is factual.
> It would be easier to blame the environment and to believe you don't need to
> make such drastic lifestyle changes. It would be nice to rely on a pill or a
> quick fix for all your health problems. But the quick fix is a Band-Aid over
> the wound, and like Band-aids, they only cover up the problem, they don't
> promote healing.
>
> As someone who has experienced the insanity of a highly allergic dog, I can
> empathize with everyone going through this experience. My golden use to be
> constantly itching, he had a chronic ear infection, and his anal glands
> needed to be expressed every 4-6 weeks. He would scratch himself so much, he
> had scabs in his fur.
> I wanted so badly to follow my vet's advice. But I couldn't keep going to
> the vet, keep dropping random crap in my dog's ears with no results, keep
> feeding food that was not helping my dog's body heal itself, keep watching
> my dog suffer. So I quit. I quit kibble, quit using toxic pesticides, and
> quit following the vet's advice. If they really knew what they were talking
> about, my dog would not have experienced his symptoms for over a year and a
> half.
> Instead, I took my dog's health into my own hands. I don't need a degree to
> know that what the vets were doing was not working. I don't need to be
> certified in anything to understand that Mother Nature knows best, and if
> She doesn't get it wrong, I can't go wrong by doing what She does. So yes, I
> went gung-ho, all-natural. And it worked.
> That is all I can tell anyone is that my dog is a living testimony to the
> benefits of natural-rearing. You cannot imagine what a relief it is that I
> don't have to express my dog's anal glands every other month, that he
> doesn't deal with any itchiness, and I only have to clean his ears about
> once a month, if that.
> If you've read this far, I want you to know that health is achieved through
> promoting a healthy immune system, not by preventing and treating symptoms.
> If you promote health by properly supporting the immune system, those
> external factors from the environment that you cannot control will have
> little to no impact on your internal health.
> We must understand that allergies are not normal. Common, yes. Normal,
> absolutely not. Do not fall into the trap of believing that it's the
> external environment. Understand that by eating healthy foods and using
> nontoxic body care and household products, you can eliminate or mitigate the
> allergies you experience each year, along with other chronic health
> conditions. Anyone who tells you differently has not learned about how to
> create a healthy body.
> --
> Raven
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or
> what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
>> On 6/12/15, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Sandra,
>> Thanks for the info! I switched Jenny to a grain-free food because she
>> was getting pimple-like growths on her face. I never did get them
>> checked out by the vet because by the time I could get in, they would
>> accidentally pop. I had contemplated switching her food for a while
>> but when she kept getting the pimples, I figured it couldn't hurt...
>> since the switch, no more pimples!
>>
>> Jenny thankfully doesn't seem to have the itching in the ears/eyes
>> themselves, but more on the skin, particularly the face. Whether
>> allergies are the cause or the result of the yeast, I'm not sure, but
>> she's pretty uncomfortable.
>>
>> I figured I would send the list a link to the Omega 3s I am giving
>> her, in case anyone would like them. I like them because based on her
>> size, even on a therapeutic dose, it's 1 tablet once a day; on a
>> maintenance dose it's 1 tablet twice a week... no more complicated
>> math! This bottle would last six months on the therapeutic dose, and
>> much longer on the maintenance dose :)
> http://www.amazon.com/Trusted-Nutrients-Omega-Fishoil-Supplement/dp/B00GMPBT
> Z2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434135974&sr=8-1&keywords=Trusted?????
>>
>> I think at the end of the day, the important thing is to do what you
>> can, research research research, question EVERYTHING, and find out
>> what works for you.
>> And as for allergy symptoms, here it's so dry that it's hard to tell
>> where allergies end and just plain dry skin begins!
>>
>> Daryl
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: S L Johnson via nagdu
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net> Sent:
>> Fri,
>> 12
>> Jun 2015 12:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [nagdu] Allergies and Dog Foods
>> Dog
>> Hello: Yesterday we were discussing allergies. I said Eva would be
>> seeing the vet again today. Her yeast infection in both ears looks
>> better but the ears are still a bit red and irritated. She will be
>> getting the ear drops for another ten days. She is also getting eye
>> drops twice a day. The vet could see some irritation in the eyes. She
>> noticed missing hair around the eyes from Eva rubbing them. Eva will
>> still take antihistamines twice a day.
>> She will continue to take daily omega 3 capsules. The vet said their
>> practice is seeing a lot of allergies this year. She said it is the
>> reality of living in hot humid central Indiana where all the dogs and
>> humans are suffering from allergies. I asked the vet about a regular
>> diet verses a grain free diet. The vet said that the grain free trend
>> has not been scientifically proven to be effective for pets anymore
>> then it has for humans. She said it is just the latest craze with no
>> real benefits to your dogb?Ts health. The vet said any good quality
>> commercial dry food is fine.
>> The
>> only time to consider grain free is if the dog has digestive issues
>> due to the foods. She said that changing the diet really doesnb?Tt
>> effect seasonal allergies. With seasonal allergies the dog is reacting
>> to things in the environment, not what it is eating. She went on to
>> say that there is a lot of hype and misinformation about pet diets
>> just as there is for human diets.
>> There is a lot of discussion on this list about foods and supplements.
>> I read posts about not using omega 3s sold in stores but insisting on
>> all natural. Ib?Tve read that only natural dog foods should be used. I
>> am not knocking those of you who choose to feed very expensive foods
>> or raw diets that claim to be better for your dog. However, I do want
>> to reassure those who cannot afford this that their dogs will do fine
>> on any of the name brand supplements and dog foods sold in grocery,
>> department or pet stores.
>> Sometimes people try to make us feel that we are not taking care of
>> our dogs if we feed commercial dog foods. The reality is, many of us
>> are on very low incomes and cannot afford the fancy trendy foods that
>> are two to three times more expensive. A guide dog is an expensive
>> responsibility without putting the guilt trip on those with limited
>> incomes. If commercial foods are approved by the guide dog schools and
>> most vets, then I feel confident to feed them to my dog. I canb?Tt
>> afford it and , I donb?Tt jump on the health food craze for humans and
>> I donb?Tt intend on doing it for my dog. It is just the current trend
>> and not medically proven to be beneficial. Sandra and Eva
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