[nagdu] Paying for what my dog takes

Mon Mar 2 17:17:16 UTC 2015

I'll try again. 
What if Julie (just using you as an example here) has a store. I go in with
my dog and Julie for whatever reason doesn't like dogs, doesn't like me,
wants a fight, whatever. What if my dog sniffs a bannanna and Julie thinks
"That dog is trained, it shouldn't have done that". Julie tells me I need to
leave because "that dog harmed merchandise". Who would decide what actually
happened? 
Maybe I've watched too much Judge Judy, but people lie all the time. Who
would sort out what happened in a misbehaving dog type scenario? Would it be
a civil or criminal matter. Would the regular court system handle it? 
I think what I'm saying is that we already have legal processes for people
to resolve their disputes. Why do we need more or extra because someone uses
a service dog? Businesses probably know full well they can ask anybody to
leave. If they can manage a business, then they do know their rights and
responsibilities even if they don't want to admit it. I don't understand why
anything more is needed. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dudley Hanks via
nagdu
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:10 AM
To: 'Marianne Denning'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
Guide Dog Users'; 'Tracy Carcione'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Paying for what my dog takes

Fortunately, I've only worked with Shepherds, which are not all that food
motivated, so I haven't run into this problem as of yet.  Although, my next
dog will likely be a lab or a golden, so I might in the future.

But, I'm a details kind of person, so I don't like generalizations that
can't possibly cover all situations.  Hence, I get nervous when somebody
says something like, "You break it, you buy it!"  Or, "If my dog eats it, I
have to pay for it."

Certainly, our dogs should be sufficiently trained to resist taking food, so
in most cases, that would fall under the heading of:  it could have been
avoided if I had taken reasonable action to keep my dog's training at an
adequate level.

But, as dogs age, they tend to figure out when they're being tested, and
when the handler can't see what they're doing.

It's times like this when business owners have to take some responsibility
if they don't take care to keep their merchandise safe.

For instance, the bananas stored at a low level could just as easily be
picked up by a young child in a stroller being pushed by a blind parent as
by a Guide.  And, if the child is too young to know better, how can the
blind parent be held responsible?

Of course, it's no big deal with a single banana.  But, Let's say you are
standing there talking to another blind person you meet at the market, and
you don't know you are standing next to a table of fruit, and your child
starts playing with  the edge of a cloth that covers the table.

You go to walk away, and the cloth gets stuck in the stroller, and you pull
the whole display over, and the rear wheels of the stroller run over and
ruin several bunches of fruit.  Who's responsible?

Maybe that sounds like a crazy example, but I've been a blind parent for
over 25 years, and I know that crazy things happen to blind parents, and to
blind dog handlers, too.

We are responsible for some costs, but not all.

Every situation needs to be examined for what happened, and who was in the
best position to avoid it.

Regards,
Dudley, with Michener

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
via nagdu
Sent: March-02-15 8:26 AM
To: Tracy Carcione; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Paying for what my dog takes

My first dog picked up candy bars 2 times many years apart and I offered to
pay for them both times.  I did not have to pay for them but I really try to
make sure my dog does not do anything like that.
I go many places where food is at or near the dog's nose level.  If I have
done my job in training it will not be an issue.
The same dog who picked up the candy bars would ride in a baby cart we
pulled behind our tandem bicycle with a box of doughnuts and never try to
eat one of them.  Go figure.
On 3/2/15, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The bananas at a nearby deli are very low down, and Krokus has picked 
> one up sometimes.  Then I find myself buying a banana to have with my
lunch.
> It's my job to control my dog.
> Tracy
>
>> Just being a Devil's Advocate here, but is it appropriate to ask a 
>> customer to pay for a dessert a dog snags when the desserts should be 
>> out of reach of dogs and small children?  :)
>>
>> I mean, would you like to be charged for a piece of china your dog's 
>> tail might break in a china or gift shop because your dog wagged its 
>> tail and knocked something to the floor because the aisles are too 
>> narrow, or the shelves are too low?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dudley, with Michener
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby 
>> Phillips via nagdu
>> Sent: March-01-15 8:11 PM
>> To: Star Gazer; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
>> Dog Users; dsykora29 at gmail.com; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: Proposed Act Regarding Service Dogs fromthe 
>> stateof Maine.
>>
>> Well, I think there should be some common sense.  For instance, if 
>> you walk into my restaurant, and your dog snags a dessert off the 
>> dessert tray, I would probably tell you that you had to pay for the 
>> dessert.  If you didn't correct the dog, make the dog sit, lie down, 
>> or whatever, I'd say that your dog was not in control and yes, 
>> misbehaving.  If, on the other hand, you walk into my restaurant, 
>> your dog attempts the snatch from the dessert tray, you correct your 
>> dog, then hey, the dog is being a dog, but you're dealing with it.  
>> The other day, my little "precious" and I say that in quotes, tried 
>> to jump up on to the front of a reception counter at my eye doctor.  
>> The receptionist kind of gasped, I corrected, and made Neena sit, and 
>> all was well.  I don't blame the young lady for being startled.  But 
>> she could see that I dealt with the situation and that then Neena 
>> behaved herself.  I knew that she had started to misbehave, and dealt 
>> with it accordingly.  But this is the difference between a dog that's 
>> trained but still young and stupid sometimes, and me being fully 
>> trained to know what to do rather than some pet owner who never went 
>> to an obedience class, or anything.  Kind of the same
>> with children, but I won't go there.  Lol.    Debby
>>
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