[nagdu] Guide Dog School

[Sheila Leigland]

marion after some experiences that I know about I agree with you 
completely and as far as I'm concerned agencies that support schools 
that remove dogs without due process and don't grant ownership are also 
in the wrong and compound the problems that some people have faced.

On 3/9/2015 7:09 PM, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu wrote:
> Melissa,
>
> 	I would also like to give my two-cents here. There are serious down
> sides to policies that do not transfer ownership upon completion of
> training, especially in the areas of weight management and abuse. I have
> seen programs remove dogs or harnesses simply upon the allegation of abuse
> or neglect. Without due process, the whole process is flawed. I am of the
> opinion that training programs should transfer ownership upon completion of
> training and, in allegations of abuse or neglect, should defer to the
> community enforcement agency with jurisdiction to objectively assess a
> situation and remove a dog if abuse or neglect is proven.
>
> 	I have also been made aware of programs attempting to remove dogs
> because of weight issues when the veterinarian seeing the dog feels it is
> within an acceptable weight range. Ownership is a right and carries with it
> specific protections from interference, even when that interference is
> couched in terms of what is best for the dog. In my opinion, programs that
> do not transfer ownership speak very loudly about their perceptions of
> blindness and the capacity of the blind.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of milissa61 via
> nagdu
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 11:29 AM
> To: 'Debby Phillips'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users'; nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School
>
> Hi,
>
> All my dogs have been from Guiding Eyes. They are a great school and the
> director of training is phenomenal. When you get a dog from Guiding Eyes,
> GEB owns the dog for the first two years. After that, you are able to apply
> for ownership provided your dog is in good health. GEB is very strict about
> making sure their dogs are not over weight. I like GEB's ownership policy
> because if anything goes wrong, (like the dog is being abused) GEB can step
> in and take the dog. They are not in the practice of taking people's dogs
> away. If something is wrong, they really go out of their way to help you
> straighten things out. But, I am glad it's an option. I've seen way to many
> dogs from schools that give ownership right away not be able to do anything
> if a dog is not being treated well or if the dog is overweight. Let me know
> if you have any other questions about GEB.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Milissa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby Phillips
> via nagdu
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 11:27 AM
> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com; semisweetdebby at gmail.com; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School
>
> You might want to look at Guiding EYES.  They produce some great dogs, the
> training is very good, I'm told, (the Director of training was my first
> instructor at Seeing Eye).  I'm not sure what their ownership policy is.  I
> almost applied there before I got Neena, but at the last moment, I just
> couldn't make the change.  I've been getting dogs from TSE since 1981.  I
> have concerns too about some of the direction then are going, and concerns
> about their ability to do good follow up.  But for me, I just couldn't make
> the change.  Neena is a great dog, and I love how she works.  We will see,
> in the future, if I need follow-up
> if it will happen or not.  Good luck with your search.    Peace,
> Debby with Neena
>
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