[nagdu] Proposed Service Dog Legislation in British Columbia, Canada

[Heather Hutchison]

Tami,

You pose some very good questions that I would love to know the answers to. I have no idea who is expected to pay for the increased cost of these IDs, maintaining the registry etc. It seems to me like perhaps someone thought this looked good on paper and hasn’t really considered the implications of how it will function in the real world.

And yes, I am concerned about what this will mean for owner trainers. Not everyone wants to or can get a dog by the means described in this legislation, and the owner trained dogs I have seen are excellent workers and have met the standards of behaviour expected from program dogs. Owner trainers are not the problem and should not be penalized.

You are correct, we don’t have anything like the ADA in Canada that specifically addresses service dogs, we do have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which this legislation does go against.

-Heather
On Mar 24, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com> wrote:

> Heather,
> 
> I've seen this article but haven't read the actual proposed legislation.
> 
> It sounds to me like it would be a nightmare for service dog users and businesses alike. For example, how are businesses supposed to verify that a given dog is registered? What will it cost them to verify every service dog coming in the door? Will they need special equipment of some sort? How much time in extra staff training will this require? If it costs a business much in time and money to check the registry, why would the business bother? So then anyone with a similar looking ID card or tag or whatever could still bring in a pet as easily as a PWD can bring in a service dog.
> 
> And what about owner-trainers? As described in the article, this leaves them out in the cold.
> 
> Standards for organizations that train service dogs for PWDs sounds like a good idea. I've noticed, however, that in the States, there is not a significant difference between California programs (at least for guide dogs) and programs in other states. California is the only state that legislates training standards and other things for service dog training programs.
> 
> Am I correct in understanding that Canada does not have an overriding national law like the ADA, at least when it comes to service dogs?
> 
> I hope this doesn't go through.
> 
> Tami
> 
> On 03/23/2015 03:03 PM, Heather Hutchison via nagdu wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Just wanting opinions on this proposed legislation in British Columbia, Canada, where I live (article below). I am currently between dogs but am quite concerned about a number of things, to the point where if this legislation passes I will have to think very hard about whether or not  to get another guide. I am not thrilled about the requirement that all dogs come from accredited schools, but what concerns me even more is that from my understanding, a handler will be forced to present some sort of government issued ID to gain access to any public facility with their dog. This seems like a violation of privacy and human rights (especially if the handler’s name and info is on this ID), it isn’t reasonable in my opinion to require something of a service dog handler that is not required of anyone else. I don’t like the idea of giving anyone who works at a business the right to be the service dog police, and the stress of having to defend my choice of mobility aid at every turn and prove
> I’m not a fraud makes me think I might just stick with the cane.
>> 
>> I was really hoping this legislation would be much closer to the ADA, sigh.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> -Heather
>> 
>> 
>> Fake ID is going to the dogs — rather too much, as it turns out. But a proposed B.C. law aims to stop people labelling dogs without proper training as service dogs, by creating government issued dog ID and a provincial registry.
>> "It'll be a bit like a service dog driving licence if you like," Bill Thornton, the CEO of BC and Alberta Guide Dogs, an organization that trains service dogs, told Daybreak South's Chris Walker.
>> Service dogs don't just include seeing eye dogs trained to help people who are visually impaired. They're also trained to help people in wheelchairs, people with hearing impairments, autism or to act as seizure alert dogs.
>> 
>> Thornton said over the past decade it has become easier to buy fake service dog tags and jackets online.
>> The identification tags allow the dog to accompany its owner to places dogs aren't usually allowed — such as restaurants or on public transit.
>> Thornton said he's seeing more and more situations involving fake service dog IDs, but it's difficult for most people to deal with.
>> "It is an awkward circumstance for someone to challenge someone who purports to have a disability and they've got a jacket on the dog — it's very difficult and often those folks behave very poorly when challenged," he said.
>> He said the new law would make things better for everyone, including people who legitimately need a service dog.
>> "They'll be able to check for the … licence and if you have it then you're entitled to go in, and if you don't have it you're not entitled to come in with the dog.
>> The new Guide Dog and Service Dog Act would also standardize training and certification in the province. It has passed its first reading and is expected to be implemented in the fall.
>> 
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fake-service-dog-id-brought-to-heel-by-proposed-b-c-law-1.3003532
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