[nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop

Sheila Leigland sheila.leigland at gmail.com
Wed Mar 25 23:44:52 UTC 2015 

tracy that is exactly how we use ours we never relieve offleash.

On 3/25/2015 12:23 PM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
> Hi Maria.
> If you have balance problems, and want to pick up, then the relieving 
> harness might be helpful.  If your dog relieves herself off leash, you 
> would have to put a bag on the relieving harness before sending her 
> off to do her business, and it could be messy if she does a #1.  Also, 
> she might be spooked if she does a #2 and then feels the full bag 
> bumping her back legs. We used one for my old dog Echo, and she didn't 
> like it when her poop was following her around.  It seems better to me 
> to use the relieving harness and relieve the dog on leash, so you can 
> put it on after the #1, and take it off right away after the #2.
> It is possible to teach a dog to relieve on leash.  All you have to do 
> is stop letting her go off leash at all until she relieves regularly 
> on leash. The dog will probably resist for a while, and it can be 
> frustrating for the person waiting for something to happen, but 
> eventually the dog will do it and you can throw a big party.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovčíková via nagdu" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the 
> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
>
>
>> Hello tracy and all,
>> thank you very much for great explanation.
>> I forgot to mention two quite important things:
>> 1. I have mild cerebral palsy which is the cause of my balance 
>> issues, so picking up might be little difficult, but I am not saying 
>> it is not doable, I've just neverdid had a chance to try because I 
>> was not taught how to do that.
>> 2. My current dog is trained to go and relieve off-leash, so I do not 
>> think it is possible to pick up after her that way.
>> Many guide dogs here are trained to relieve off-leash because 
>> trainers said we are exempted from picking up.
>> My current guide dog is my first, so I did not know what to expect in 
>> sense of not picking up and people being disappointed about it, so it 
>> did not come on my mind to ask the trainer to train her relieving on 
>> leash because I was told I did not have to pick up and all was fine 
>> the way it was at that time.
>> Have a nice day.
>> With kind regards
>> Maria
>> On 25. 3. 2015 18:39, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>> Hi Maria.
>>> Blind people have been teaching each other how to pick up after 
>>> their dogs for years, so I'll have a go at explaining to you how 
>>> it's done.
>>> Get a plastic bag big enough to fit comfortably over your whole 
>>> hand.  I like sandwich bags; others use grocery bags, and others buy 
>>> special poop bags.
>>> Keep the dog on a short enough leash so you can tell what it's 
>>> doing. Most dogs do a bit of a dance before pooping.  Some go in 
>>> little circles, and others wiggle their butts a bit.  When the dog 
>>> stops moving, check her back. If she's pooping, her back will have a 
>>> definite arch down. Remember where her butt is, or point your foot 
>>> at it.
>>> When she's done and moves away, put your hand into your bag and 
>>> reach down and feel around for the pile.  Scoop it into your hand 
>>> and turn the bag inside out, so now the poop is on the inside and 
>>> your hand is on the outside.  You can practice this beforehand by 
>>> picking up something with the bag, like an apple, for example.
>>> And there you are, all picked up, no mess on you or the ground.
>>> Hope I explained this well.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovčíková via nagdu" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Vivianna" <irishana at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the 
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:25 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
>>>
>>>
>>>>     Hello list,
>>>> I've been reading this topic with interest.
>>>> The school I have my guide dog from do not teach us how to pick up 
>>>> after our guide dogs. Trainers say blind people and people with 
>>>> other disabilities  are exempted from picking up here in Slovakia.
>>>> I have read the state law regarding guide and assistance dogs very 
>>>> carefuly because I needed to have some knowledge when I did my 
>>>> thesis a few years ago. There was not a single word written about 
>>>> blind people and people with other disabilities being exempted from 
>>>> picking up.
>>>> There might be some local laws or documents saying about that, but 
>>>> each city/town/village might have it different.
>>>> For example when I asked the police in my town whether I must pick 
>>>> up after my guide dog or not, they said people with disabilities 
>>>> were exempted from picking up after their dogs. When I asked them 
>>>> to provide me some documents regarding that, they were unable to 
>>>> give me them because they did not have any oficial document of that 
>>>> kind , I did not find it even on my town website.
>>>> When I went to other city to see my friend, I was told that I had 
>>>> to pick up after my dog.
>>>> The problem is I was not taught how to pick up and I had a blind 
>>>> friend and she could not help me with picking up as well, so I had 
>>>> to leave it on the grass. This happened many times.
>>>> I felt very embarrassed because I was not able to pick up after my 
>>>> dog and people shauted at me quite often for leaving it on the 
>>>> grass. Many people are quite upset about it which I understand 
>>>> perfectly.
>>>> I know in this situation relieving harness might be of help, but I 
>>>> am not sure if we have it here in Slovakia, so our guides are not 
>>>> trained using it.
>>>> Could you please explain how relieving harness works?
>>>> Do you put it on your dog right after you take him/herout or do you 
>>>> let your dog to go and do number one first and then put the 
>>>> relieving harness on your dog and let them do number two?
>>>> I hope I do not sound very silly, but I've never had relieving 
>>>> harnes, so cannot imagine how it works.
>>>> I know using relieving harness brings you advantages, but are there 
>>>> any disadvantages using it? If so, what these disadvantages are?
>>>> Thank you for your replies in advance.
>>>> With kind regards
>>>> Maria from Slovakia
>>>> On 25. 3. 2015 14:25, Vivianna via nagdu wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> i find that, if you relieve the dog where it does not move while 
>>>>> pooping, you can pick it up much better.
>>>>> try the following; first, don’t be afraid to feel your dog’s back. 
>>>>> this way, you know where the poop is and, if the dog is even moving.
>>>>> try curbing the dog.  this will stop them from moving but, you 
>>>>> will have to pick up from the street.
>>>>> relieve the dog somewhere else where there is a boundary. like, 
>>>>> off the side of a sidewalk or driveway.  this way you can treat it 
>>>>> the same as curbing the dog and, they will learn not to move past 
>>>>> the boundary.
>>>>> if you really have multiple disabilities and can not pick up then, 
>>>>> get a relieving harness but, it’s much more of a pain than just 
>>>>> picking up. thousands of us do it with no problems, you can too.  
>>>>> just practice and you will figure out the best way for you.
>>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone should have the relieving harness, it is you Elise. My 
>>>>>> dad on
>>>>>> dialysis would get dizzy for no reason. So please ask GDB for one 
>>>>>> and since
>>>>>> you are close to campus, they can come out and show you how to 
>>>>>> use this
>>>>>> marvel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know for a fact with my health taking a bit of a nose dive I 
>>>>>> will ask for
>>>>>> one next time. If someone knows where I can buy one now, this 
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> amazing help for me. I gather GDB has them and offers them to 
>>>>>> grads who need
>>>>>> it. Elise you need one. Those with second disabilities need one 
>>>>>> to stay
>>>>>> independent. Becky for sure needs one and will buy one if someone 
>>>>>> tells me
>>>>>> where I can get one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Becky and her Jake, dats me, toothy grin. Love Jake
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise 
>>>>>> Berkley via
>>>>>> nagdu
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:53 PM
>>>>>> To: National Users
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, everyone.  I have been taking Becky to relieve herself in 
>>>>>> the alley
>>>>>> behind my apartment building.  It is a rather large area and I 
>>>>>> give her area
>>>>>> to go.  They taught me how to pick up behind her, but I guess I 
>>>>>> have been
>>>>>> missing some of it.  Someone mentioned it to me (not a big deal), 
>>>>>> but they
>>>>>> did not want anyone else to mention it.  Does anyone have 
>>>>>> suggestions on how
>>>>>> to make sure I am picking up everything from her? Thanks.
>>>>>> Elise and Becky
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