[nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
Tracy Carcione
carcione at access.net
Wed Mar 25 18:23:23 UTC 2015
Hi Maria.
If you have balance problems, and want to pick up, then the relieving
harness might be helpful. If your dog relieves herself off leash, you would
have to put a bag on the relieving harness before sending her off to do her
business, and it could be messy if she does a #1. Also, she might be
spooked if she does a #2 and then feels the full bag bumping her back legs.
We used one for my old dog Echo, and she didn't like it when her poop was
following her around. It seems better to me to use the relieving harness
and relieve the dog on leash, so you can put it on after the #1, and take it
off right away after the #2.
It is possible to teach a dog to relieve on leash. All you have to do is
stop letting her go off leash at all until she relieves regularly on leash.
The dog will probably resist for a while, and it can be frustrating for the
person waiting for something to happen, but eventually the dog will do it
and you can throw a big party.
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mária Orovčíková via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National
Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
> Hello tracy and all,
> thank you very much for great explanation.
> I forgot to mention two quite important things:
> 1. I have mild cerebral palsy which is the cause of my balance issues, so
> picking up might be little difficult, but I am not saying it is not
> doable, I've just neverdid had a chance to try because I was not taught
> how to do that.
> 2. My current dog is trained to go and relieve off-leash, so I do not
> think it is possible to pick up after her that way.
> Many guide dogs here are trained to relieve off-leash because trainers
> said we are exempted from picking up.
> My current guide dog is my first, so I did not know what to expect in
> sense of not picking up and people being disappointed about it, so it did
> not come on my mind to ask the trainer to train her relieving on leash
> because I was told I did not have to pick up and all was fine the way it
> was at that time.
> Have a nice day.
> With kind regards
> Maria
> On 25. 3. 2015 18:39, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> Hi Maria.
>> Blind people have been teaching each other how to pick up after their
>> dogs for years, so I'll have a go at explaining to you how it's done.
>> Get a plastic bag big enough to fit comfortably over your whole hand. I
>> like sandwich bags; others use grocery bags, and others buy special poop
>> bags.
>> Keep the dog on a short enough leash so you can tell what it's doing.
>> Most dogs do a bit of a dance before pooping. Some go in little circles,
>> and others wiggle their butts a bit. When the dog stops moving, check
>> her back. If she's pooping, her back will have a definite arch down.
>> Remember where her butt is, or point your foot at it.
>> When she's done and moves away, put your hand into your bag and reach
>> down and feel around for the pile. Scoop it into your hand and turn the
>> bag inside out, so now the poop is on the inside and your hand is on the
>> outside. You can practice this beforehand by picking up something with
>> the bag, like an apple, for example.
>> And there you are, all picked up, no mess on you or the ground.
>> Hope I explained this well.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovčíková via nagdu"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Vivianna" <irishana at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:25 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
>>
>>
>>> Hello list,
>>> I've been reading this topic with interest.
>>> The school I have my guide dog from do not teach us how to pick up after
>>> our guide dogs. Trainers say blind people and people with other
>>> disabilities are exempted from picking up here in Slovakia.
>>> I have read the state law regarding guide and assistance dogs very
>>> carefuly because I needed to have some knowledge when I did my thesis a
>>> few years ago. There was not a single word written about blind people
>>> and people with other disabilities being exempted from picking up.
>>> There might be some local laws or documents saying about that, but each
>>> city/town/village might have it different.
>>> For example when I asked the police in my town whether I must pick up
>>> after my guide dog or not, they said people with disabilities were
>>> exempted from picking up after their dogs. When I asked them to provide
>>> me some documents regarding that, they were unable to give me them
>>> because they did not have any oficial document of that kind , I did not
>>> find it even on my town website.
>>> When I went to other city to see my friend, I was told that I had to
>>> pick up after my dog.
>>> The problem is I was not taught how to pick up and I had a blind friend
>>> and she could not help me with picking up as well, so I had to leave it
>>> on the grass. This happened many times.
>>> I felt very embarrassed because I was not able to pick up after my dog
>>> and people shauted at me quite often for leaving it on the grass. Many
>>> people are quite upset about it which I understand perfectly.
>>> I know in this situation relieving harness might be of help, but I am
>>> not sure if we have it here in Slovakia, so our guides are not trained
>>> using it.
>>> Could you please explain how relieving harness works?
>>> Do you put it on your dog right after you take him/herout or do you let
>>> your dog to go and do number one first and then put the relieving
>>> harness on your dog and let them do number two?
>>> I hope I do not sound very silly, but I've never had relieving harnes,
>>> so cannot imagine how it works.
>>> I know using relieving harness brings you advantages, but are there any
>>> disadvantages using it? If so, what these disadvantages are?
>>> Thank you for your replies in advance.
>>> With kind regards
>>> Maria from Slovakia
>>> On 25. 3. 2015 14:25, Vivianna via nagdu wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> i find that, if you relieve the dog where it does not move while
>>>> pooping, you can pick it up much better.
>>>> try the following; first, don’t be afraid to feel your dog’s back.
>>>> this way, you know where the poop is and, if the dog is even moving.
>>>> try curbing the dog. this will stop them from moving but, you will
>>>> have to pick up from the street.
>>>> relieve the dog somewhere else where there is a boundary. like, off the
>>>> side of a sidewalk or driveway. this way you can treat it the same as
>>>> curbing the dog and, they will learn not to move past the boundary.
>>>> if you really have multiple disabilities and can not pick up then, get
>>>> a relieving harness but, it’s much more of a pain than just picking up.
>>>> thousands of us do it with no problems, you can too. just practice and
>>>> you will figure out the best way for you.
>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Vivianna
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone should have the relieving harness, it is you Elise. My dad
>>>>> on
>>>>> dialysis would get dizzy for no reason. So please ask GDB for one and
>>>>> since
>>>>> you are close to campus, they can come out and show you how to use
>>>>> this
>>>>> marvel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know for a fact with my health taking a bit of a nose dive I will
>>>>> ask for
>>>>> one next time. If someone knows where I can buy one now, this would be
>>>>> amazing help for me. I gather GDB has them and offers them to grads
>>>>> who need
>>>>> it. Elise you need one. Those with second disabilities need one to
>>>>> stay
>>>>> independent. Becky for sure needs one and will buy one if someone
>>>>> tells me
>>>>> where I can get one.
>>>>>
>>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Becky and her Jake, dats me, toothy grin. Love Jake
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise
>>>>> Berkley via
>>>>> nagdu
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:53 PM
>>>>> To: National Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, everyone. I have been taking Becky to relieve herself in the
>>>>> alley
>>>>> behind my apartment building. It is a rather large area and I give
>>>>> her area
>>>>> to go. They taught me how to pick up behind her, but I guess I have
>>>>> been
>>>>> missing some of it. Someone mentioned it to me (not a big deal), but
>>>>> they
>>>>> did not want anyone else to mention it. Does anyone have suggestions
>>>>> on how
>>>>> to make sure I am picking up everything from her? Thanks.
>>>>> Elise and Becky
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