[nagdu] Theft prevention WAS Re: restaurants and cafes

S L Johnson SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Sun May 17 20:53:47 UTC 2015 

Hi John:

First, the command is down, not lay.  Molly doesn't know what lay means. 
She was taught to respond to the command down.        When I go out to eat I 
always ask if there are chairs instead of booths.  In a chair, you can do as 
you did on class and have her on a short leash next to the chair.  How did 
she manage to get out from under the table in the first place?  If you put 
the leash under your leg, she can't get away from you.  When you are seated 
in a booth put Molly as close to you as possible.  Then sit on the leash and 
remember to keep it short.  This will prevent her from wandering off.   It 
sounds like Molly needs more obedience.  Are you still doing obedience with 
her every day as the school recommends?  I know this is your first dog and 
you have only had Molly for a few months but, you need to get her under 
control now before she decides it is more fun to play than work.  It is very 
important that Molly knows you are her master and she must obey you.  I 
strongly recommend that you call Pilot and ask for a refresher course.  You 
seem to have forgotten a lot of what you were taught on class.

Sandra and Eva.

-----Original Message----- 
From: John Sanders via nagdu
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 6:04 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: John Sanders
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Theft prevention WAS Re: restaurants and cafes

Hi,
I have a question:  when I was eating in a restaurant with my parents one
evening; Mollie started to sniff around and started to walk around.
We were sitting at a booth.
I did the following:
1. Gave her a leash correction and gave her the command"Mollie lay!".
That didn't work.
2.  I gave the command "Mollie come" and that didn't work either.
she is only 18 months.
How should I go about fixing this?
I hope to hear from you soon.
Sincerely,
John Sanders


-----Original Message----- 
From: Debby Phillips via nagdu
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:48 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Debby Phillips
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Theft prevention WAS Re: restaurants and cafes

Some dogs will go off with anybody it seems. That always scares me a bit.
Others will hardly let you  out of their sight. Both extremes are terrine.

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> On May 16, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Tami Jarvis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Debby,
>
> You are not the only paranoid about theft. I used to worry a lot, then 
> realized that anyone trying to walk off with Mitzi would be in for a big 
> surprise. She's overboard with the velcro, and I had to work with her to 
> get her to agree to let even her best human friends to hold her leash. I 
> made sure to let groomers and vet techs know that they needed to wait for 
> me to hand them her leash before she would go with them. Most actually 
> understand when I explain why. Even if I'm spaced off sitting at the bus 
> stop in the noisy city, no one can just sneak off with the nice poodle 
> without my noticing.
>
> Then there's Mr. Friendly... I'm teaching him not to go off with the 
> groomer or the folks at the vet's office until I hand them the leash in 
> the hopes he will get the idea not to go off with whichever long lost best 
> friend wants to take him for a walk while I'm not looking. He's pretty 
> velcro, too, so that should help. I hope he's not such a pain as Mitzi if 
> I want to go for a swim or something and leave him with a friend at the 
> side of the pool, but I do want to teach him not to go off with strangers 
> just because they smile pretty and have their hands on his leash.
>
> For restaurants, I do what most people do, it seems, and clip the leash 
> around my leg so I will feel if there's any disturbance. Poodles are 
> notoriously fidgety, especially if there's a lot going on that they can't 
> watch, so being able to feel movement helps with training them to stay 
> settled or to settle them back down. I'm using what I learned from Mitzi 
> to get a head start with Loki, so by the time he's working in restaurants, 
> I'll be able to eat and enjoy from the beginning.
>
> Tami
>
>
>> On 05/16/2015 06:58 AM, Debby Phillips via nagdu wrote:
>> Okay call me paranoid but even though my dog lies quietly at my feet, I 
>> always try to have hold of the Leash so that nobody can steal my dog.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 15, 2015, at 11:23 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I first got my golden, I looped the short leash over my knee.
>>> He just crashes when I'm sitting though, so I usually just drop the
>>> leash, lay it across his back, or weave it through the harness.
>>> Sometimes, I will sit with the leash looped around my ankle. He just
>>> sleeps, so I make sure I know where the leash is in case I need to
>>> grab it at a moment's notice.
>>> I position him under the chair, beside the chair if they have the
>>> horizontal bars between the legs, or in front of my feet if I am
>>> sitting on a couch or booth. I do as much as I can to keep him out of
>>> the way and out of the sight of others.
>>> I always love it when my friends say they forgot my dog was even with
>>> us, or if other customers or the waitress comment that they didn't
>>> even know a dog was in here.
>>> --
>>> Raven
>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>> have or what you do.
>>>
>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>
>>>> On 5/15/15, Sonja O via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> For hands free, over the shoulder styles, I would check out bold lead
>>>> design.
>>>> They can make you custom ones.
>>>>
>>>> http://boldleaddesigns.com
>>>>
>>>> Or you can contact karen with lds leather.
>>>> Either way, they got nice leads.
>>>> Best, sonja and chief :)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On May 15, 2015, at 6:06 AM, Darla J. Rogers via nagdu 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear rox,
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you obtain a hands-free leash?  This sounds like the ticket 
>>>>> for
>>>>> me
>>>>> since holding mu foot on the leash isn't always easy because of some
>>>>> nerve
>>>>> damage.
>>>>> Darla & the Mighty Nose of Missouri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Darla J. Rogers M.S.
>>>>>
>>>>> Djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself."
>>>>> ¯ Wayne W. Dyer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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