[nagdu] update

[Abigail Bolling]

I’ve seen the prong collars, and they are effective. I don’t necessarily like to use them, because it is a harsher correction for the dog. 
As for the chest pads, I’ve only seen a hand full of dogs with them, but like I said, from what I’ve seen, the spikes on the chest pads left sores on the dogs chest and irritated the dog. 
I have seen the chest pad by itself and it just looks. I don’t have the word to describe it… scary? literally, that’s all I can think of. but if it works and it doesn’t harm the dog in any way, to each their own I guess… 
> On May 27, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Most of this type of equipment is designed to help with discipline and not
> to do harm I think. My dd used a spike collar with a dog she was walking,
> and it did settle it down so it wouldn't try to drag her. It didn't damage
> the dog, nor did it damage the relationship. Of course that is not a guide,
> but for me that isn't part of the issue. I am still not sure I'd like to use
> one though.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Passle Helminski
> via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:29 AM
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> Cc: Passle Helminski
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] update
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Pilot spikes are hollow and not sharp. They do not dig into the skin and do
> not go all of the way across the chest.  A mother dog correcting a pup would
> cause more discomfort than the spikes.
> 
> Fact and not an opinion because I briefly used them when I had work done on
> both of my hands.
> 
> Passle
> 
> On May 27, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Abigail Bolling via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Nimer I think you're correct about the chest pads being used when a
> handler has been given a dog that is too much for them to reasonably handle.
> At least, that is what I've seen and that is my humble opinion. But, on the
> other side, it's not comfortable for the dog. A lot of times, I have seen
> dogs with sores on their chest from where the spikes have done into their
> skin. This I feel is a very inhumane way to treat an animal, especially when
> you're expecting the animal to help you.
>> Again, this is just my opinion.
>> Abigail Bolling 
>> 
>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>> 
>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>> 
> 
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