[nagdu] update

Amber M thetraveler87 at gmail.com
Wed May 27 20:39:40 UTC 2015 

Will say my dog came home with a sore on his chest that had to do with very shotty shaving. But while in class I did use the pad as instructed. Whether the pad irritated the sore I don't know but can say shortly after getting home it healed with no problem. 

Amber 

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> On May 27, 2015, at 3:59 PM, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> I do not defend Pilot Dogs use of the spikes, I only described them because 
> somebody asked about them.  My dog walks at my pace without any pull so, I 
> have no need of any correction for pulling.  I was given a set but have 
> never used them.  I've seen people object to head collars because they 
> resemble muzzles.  I've known some people to use spiked collars ,high 
> collars, and even shock collars  for corrections while others of us strongly 
> disagree with their use.  I am sure students are advised to try all other 
> methods before resorting to putting in the spiked chest pad.  If you have 
> seen a dog has been injured, then it is possible that is not the right dog 
> for that person or the dog needs further training.  It may be a last ditch 
> effort before giving up on a match if all other aspects of the dogs work are 
> good.  I am very glad that my dog was matched to my pace and abilities 
> perfectly.  All she ever needs is verbal corrections.  I am sure all of us 
> have some things we don't agree with when we go through training.  Once we 
> get home, we can use those training tools we prefer.
> 
> Sandra and Eva
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Abigail Bulling via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:16 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Abigail Bolling
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] update
> 
> Hi,
> Nimer I think you're correct about the chest pads being used when a handler 
> has been given a dog that is too much for them to reasonably handle. At 
> least, that is what I've seen and that is my humble opinion. But, on the 
> other side, it's not comfortable for the dog. A lot of times, I have seen 
> dogs with sores on their chest from where the spikes have done into their 
> skin. This I feel is a very inhumane way to treat an animal, especially when 
> you're expecting the animal to help you.
> Again, this is just my opinion.
> Abigail Bolling
> 
> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
> 
> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music 
> play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
> 
>> On May 27, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Nimer Jaber via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> This is just another tool that an individual uses to control unwanted 
>> behavior.  I wouldn't use it, but nobody asks me to use it...Martingale 
>> doesn't always work I find, and while most dogs respond to the gentle 
>> leader positively, it just doesn't work for some dogs.  Still, it seems 
>> like those people that are resorting to spikes are getting too much dog 
>> and possibly can't handle what they are given...I could be way dead wrong, 
>> but that's what it seems like to me.
>> 
>> Thanks, and here's hoping you get things figured out soon.
>> 
>>> On 5/27/2015 07:13, Abigail Bolling via nagdu wrote:
>>> Wouldn't a gentle leader or a martingale do the same thing? Without 
>>> digging spikes into the chest of the dog? Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> Abigail Bolling
>>> 
>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>> 
>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the 
>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>> 
>>>> On May 27, 2015, at 5:34 AM, Amber M via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Still issued to every grad but not required to be used unless instructed 
>>>> to do so. Will say I was instructed to use mine and did so in class but 
>>>> have removed and replaced with the plain piece of leather. Not that I 
>>>> enjoyed using it at all but just saying once home can find other ways of 
>>>> dealing with the pulling.
>>>> 
>>>> Description is correct though.
>>>> 
>>>> Amber
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 26, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A Pilot grad can correct me if I'm wrong, but.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pilot's harnesses have a feature that, to my knowledge, no other guide 
>>>>> dog school's equipment has. (Well, the leashes do, too...the leashes 
>>>>> are a bit longer than most, and can be made into an impromptu muzzle.) 
>>>>> Anyway, there are two snaps on the chest strap. Normally, a piece of 
>>>>> leather is snapped in between them, straight across. However, one can 
>>>>> take that out and snap into its place a set of blunt prongs. I think 
>>>>> the purpose of these is to discourage the dog from excessive/too hard 
>>>>> of a pull. I believe these were issued at one time to all grads as a 
>>>>> matter of course, but I don't think they are anymore, except in 
>>>>> specific circumstances and if a trainer thinks a dog needs them very 
>>>>> specifically. Pilot grads, please correct any factual errors on my 
>>>>> part, but I *think* this is what Abby's talking about.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 26, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Shannon Dyer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Abby,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Whatâ?Ts a chest pad? Iâ?Tve never heard of it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good luck with everything. Waiting can be torture.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>>>>>> On May 26, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Abigail Bolling via nagdu 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Well, I have a friend with me now, and we went on a walk on Saturday. 
>>>>>>> A pretty long walkâ?¦ (about 3 miles to be exact.)
>>>>>>> She saw first hand my problems with Jada.
>>>>>>> An update about Leader. They want to evaluate Jada. I have called and 
>>>>>>> told them that taking Jada to re-evaluate and return her to me (once 
>>>>>>> again) will not be a good idea. Theyâ?Tve done this once with Her and 
>>>>>>> she did not trust me afterward. I had to restart the bonding process, 
>>>>>>> and I canâ?Tt afford to do that right now. So they are sending a 
>>>>>>> trainer out to me next week.
>>>>>>> I have spoken with Pilot and they are willing to accept me after I 
>>>>>>> have a physical done. I have told pilot that I would attend their 
>>>>>>> school as long as I would not be required to use the chest pads, 
>>>>>>> which I do not agree with at all, and a shock collar will never be 
>>>>>>> put on my dog. The student services rep I spoke with said those 
>>>>>>> wouldnâ?Tt be a problem, so weâ?Tll see what happens. I am really 
>>>>>>> hoping Leader will kind of, to put it bluntly, step it up a notch 
>>>>>>> because I canâ?Tt afford to wait and mess around.
>>>>>>> So anyway, Iâ?Tm a little frustrated, Jadaâ?Ts tired but she still 
>>>>>>> wants to work and becomes a holy terror on four paws, so I work her 
>>>>>>> or else my apartment will get destroyed. But I can personally say, I 
>>>>>>> donâ?Tt like this waiting around. Anyway,
>>>>>>> Another thing with Jada, I found another bump on her leg. About a 
>>>>>>> year and a half or so ago, Jada had to have surgery for a fatty tumor 
>>>>>>> in her legâ?¦ Well, it looks like the bump is back. Itâ?Ts very small 
>>>>>>> and oblong, but itâ?Ts harder than the last one. It is just above her 
>>>>>>> scarred area, so it may just be her muscle knotted up from the 
>>>>>>> surgery. To get the last tumor out of her leg, the vet had to cut and 
>>>>>>> go under her muscle, so it could be that too. But all I see is a bump 
>>>>>>> that isnâ?Tt supposed to be there, and wasnâ?Tt there a week ago.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyway, those are the updates as of now. Iâ?Tll let yâ?Tall know if 
>>>>>>> there are any other developments.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Abby and Princess Jada.
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