[nagdu] fake service dogs revisited

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				We had a family friend who had seizures. She was a ski instructor and interestingly never had a seizure when she was skiing or near the ski slop. She had terrible ones when she was home or out and about to the point where she came to dislike police officers because they treated her like a "damn drunk" (her words not mine) when she was coming out of  a seizure. 
Given your attitude, and given what they say about birds of a feather, I'd say the prospective tenant dodged a bullet.

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] fake service dogs revisited

I have a friend who is a landlord.  
so, a couple days ago someone wanted to become a tenant.  she said that her live-in boyfriend has a service dog.  my friend asked what task does the dog perform to help the boyfriend.  the woman said, oh, it tells him when he is going to have a seizure.  then she said that the dog is kennel trained and that it stays home all day while the boyfriend is at work.  the dog hangs out with him when he is at home in the evenings and stays in a kennel all day.
some service dog huh?
this misrepresentation of pets for service dogs is completely rampant IMO.
obviously they just want to be able to claim their pet is a service dog.  any true service dog and the person who needs it, would be together all the time.  or, at least 99 percent of the time.
i stick to my belief that, eithere there will be required certification or, all dogs will be allowed everywhere soon.

Vivianna

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:05 AM, The Pawpower Pack via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Bibi, 
> Firstly, people can have emotional support animals in housing.  These animals do not need to be trained to mitigate a person's disability.  However, ESA's are not allowed in places like cafes and restaurants with their disabled handlers.  
> I'm not really sure why the person feeding the dog means he's not an SD.  Feeding a dog in public, no matter the food is a personal choice— one with which you may not agree but has nothing to do with a dog's training to perform tasks in public.  
> As for the growling, if it's happening regularly, you may wish to approach the handler and ask about it.  I know at least one of my dogs has growled at another dog before.  I know people with program dogs, whos dogs have growled.  Just because a dog growls does not mean it's not an SD.  The handler should be addressing it, and a good way to stay safe is to speak to the handler about your concerns and listen with an open mind to what they have to say.  Obviously, if they deny the problem or don't take responsibility for it, then you should go to the landlord.  However, I'd have an open and honest chat with the handler first.  
> You don't have the right to ask about this person's disability— psych or otherwise.  I don't know if the dog has been trained to be an SD or not, but I can understand, with the growling at least, ;why you are uncomfortable. 
> 
> Good luck. 
> 
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>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> I'm revisiting the subject of "fake service dogs" once again.
>> There is a resident in my apart complex who decided to go online, pay $100.00 and a vest so he could have his dog with him.
>> Two problems with the dog.
>> He has growled at Odie and I, amongst other dogs.
>> The growling instantly failed him as a service dog.
>> The individual acts like he/she (not sure of the owner being male or female, so refer to the person as it), claims his dog named Bolt will help calm down PTSD as I'm don't know if this individual has actually gone through counseling or not.
>> Here is the embarrassing part which makes me feel even more comfortable and I now focus on the cafeteria in our building.
>> It decides that while the so-called service dog allows other people feed human food to Bolt.
>> I have approached my service cordinator on this matter and would like to write a letter to the CEO of VOA to put a stop to this negative behavior.
>> What would the best approach be to handle this situation?
>> I want to become an owner-dog trainer as soon as I work on retiring Odie permanently, but have some questions.
>> If need be, I'm happy to have owner-dog trainers email me off list rather than to clog up the list.
>> During my time of owner-training, I want to be sure that I am a responsible dog handler and stick with training and consistancy like I learned with Odie and my previous guides.
>> I do have another question, but wil save it for the owner-dog trainers off list.
>> Sincerely:
>> Bibi and MAR son Odie
>> orleans24 at comcast.net
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