[nagdu] service animals and Uber or Lyft again

Marianne Denning marianne at denningweb.com
Sat Oct 17 22:09:09 UTC 2015


Most drivers will not know we don't have to use it.  If you want to
let the driver know you have a dog contact the driver once you get the
information and let him/her know you have a dog.  If the drivers are
violating my civil rights why should I help them do it?

On 10/16/15, Star Gazer via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 				Even if a button is added, nobody has to use
> it. Channel your inner Nancy Reagan and just say no if hitting yes to such
> a
> button isn't what you want to do. The law is still what it is so hitting
> the
> button or not hitting the button won't have any impact.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:13 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] service animals and Uber or Lyft again
>
> I almost never notify anyone that I'm bringing a dog along with me unless
> it
> is someone's home, or someone who is giving me a ride somewhere.
> However, I agree with Debby here. It's definitely a time and energy saver
> to
> just let someone know ahead of time, rather than wait for that person to
> arrive and get into it with them, get left, then have to request another
> driver, who might also turn you down.
> If Uber adds a button that sends a notification that someone has a service
> animal, then the ride request goes out with the notification, and you don't
> have to be worried about going through one or multiple acceptions and
> refusals. The first person to accept you will be someone whose okay with
> the
> dog, and you can be on your way without issue.
>
> You can't force people to obey the law, and no matter how many drivers Uber
> gets rid of for violating the ADA, there are still more to come.
> I have learned that. Getting rid of one doesn't get rid of 'em all, and
> doesn't stop more from joining. So yes, I am in favor of this button being
> added. It would save a lot of hassle. There are truly insensitive people
> out
> there, and I'm not sure how Uber can screen its drivers to weed out the
> inconsiderate folk. But this button would allow us to avoid dealing with
> them at all.
> If it was required that you have to check a box, saying whether or not you
> have a service animal, I would find that problematic. It should always be
> our choice as to whether we want to disclose or not. But tossing in an
> optional button for service animal users to click is great.
>
> When I need a ride somewhere, I am not representing guide dog travelers or
> the blind community. I'm a woman who has business to take care of, and
> little time or tolerance for nonsense.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or
> what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
>
> On 10/16/15, Michael Forzano via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It's strange that blind people in this iPhone group are defending Uber
>> drivers who deny access to us. I would guess that those people haven't
>> experienced being denied access and being late to meetings, or almost
>> missing a flight due to being denied multiple times in a row, as I
>> have.
>>
>> My concern is that since we are a relatively small segment of Uber's
>> customer base, that if blind people start contacting them requesting
>> this button be added to the app, that they might actually go ahead and
>> add it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 10/16/15, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Marianne,
>>>
>>> 	Let me share with you a similar circumstance about when a private
>>> vehicle becomes a place of public accommodation. If a realtor uses
>>> his or her vehicle to transport buyers to show them homes, their
>>> private vehicle is now a place of public. Uber drivers are now
>>> offering their private vehicles to transport the general public and
>>> are, therefore, required to abide by the provisions of Title III of
>>> the ADA. HTH!
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
>>> Denning via nagdu
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:30 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] service animals and Uber or Lyft again
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone.  The main point I am hearing from people on the
>>> iPhone list is that the drivers are using their private cars.  My
>>> response is that once they use a private car for a public purpose
>>> then it is not a private car during that time.  Am I correct here?  I
>>> know this is all still getting through the courts but, is that the
>>> position of NAGDU?
>>>
>>> On 10/14/15, Michael Forzano via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Michael has a good point about the GPS tracking the driver. If you
>>>> tell them in advance and they deny you access, it's your word
>>>> against theirs, whereas if they drive to your location that is clear
>>>> proof they denied you because of your dog.
>>>> Also, I've had two drivers deny me in a row, so it's definitely
>>>> possible, and you might not be saving yourself much time by telling
>>>> them in advance. Then, that's one more driver who thinks they can
>>>> get away with it, which could affect you or another blind person in
>>>> the future.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/15, Michael Hingson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Debby,
>>>>>
>>>>> You do what you think you must. However, keep in mind that you
>>>>> might have one or two drivers in a row who refuse to take you and
>>>>> you still are short on time and left stranded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of us have a significant amount of experience with this issue
>>>>> whether it be with Uber or from other circumstances. Not all of us
>>>>> wish to take such a hard line which is why we all love this free
>>>>> country. Sometimes fighting the good fight does help. You have to
>>>>> be the one who decides your actions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can only say that you and the rest of us as blind people are the
>>>>> true blindness experts. We will only be perceived as such if we
>>>>> promote our expertise consistently and all the time..
>>>>>
>>>>> It is easy to have an excuse for our actions, but consider this. If
>>>>> you give advanced notice and a driver chooses not to come to pick
>>>>> you up then what about the next time that driver gets a request and
>>>>> the requester does not inform the driver about their guide dog? You
>>>>> already have empowered the driver because they simply refused you
>>>>> and there will not be consequences for their refusal. As I said in
>>>>> a previous email denying a request is easy.
>>>>> The driver will never be held accountable for their action, or lack
>>>>> of action, unless they are dumb enough to say they denied you
>>>>> because of their dog. Given that Uber is now putting information
>>>>> out to drivers informing them about their responsibility to accept
>>>>> passengers with guide dogs the smart drivers will never tell and we
>>>>> all lose.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby
>>>>> Phillips via nagdu
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:08 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>; oagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] service animals and Uber or Lyft again
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you all are dead set against letting folks know.  And I
>>>>> understand that, but if you're short on time, you don't want to be
>>>>> left
>>> strandand.
>>>>> I
>>>>> just think people have to use common sense, figure out what is
>>>>> happening in their life at that moment, and do what we need to do.
>>>>> If I have lots of time, if I am in a safe place where I don't mind
>>>>> waiting, then I don't tell.
>>>>> If I have an emergency and don't want to be left strandand, then I
>>>>> tell.
>>>>> Sorry, but that's the way it is.     Debby and Nova
>>>>>
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