[nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

[Raven Tolliver]

Sandra,
It's extremely disturbing to me, but I don't know if NAGDU will do
anything about it. It seems that the higher ups in NAGDU don't
understand that this is discrimination. Maybe I have misread some
people's messages.
Rather than finding a way to incorporate guide dogs into O&M skills at
a training center, people who are guide dog users assert that this is
impossible or unreasonable. Of course, no one has taken the time to
explain why it is impossible. What part of the NFB philosophy is
impossible to instill alongside guide dog travel? What concepts are
impossible to teach to a traveler using a guide dog rather than or
alongside a cane? Are you sure that it's impossible to teach these
concepts to a guide dog traveler using a guide dog? Are you sure that
the staff at the NFB training centers are not unwilling to learn how
to teach students using guide dogs? If you are, what convinces you
that the staff are willing to teach O&M skills to students using guide
dogs? What part of the philosophy prevents or prohibits the
reintroduction of the guide dog into the student's class time, time
between classes, and O&M lessons? What fundamentals of NFB philosophy
and independent living skills are disrupted by allowing the use of a
guide dog during all classes?
How is the prohibition of guide dog use during classes and O&M not
discrimination?
Julie J brought up fundamental alteration on a separate thread,
asserting that "You simply cannot learn what they are teaching if you
are using a guide dog." Why is this?
The idea of fundamental alteration is a little disturbing to me
because it sounds like people can use it in the way people like to use
freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc, and everyone knows there
are restrictions on those freedoms. A clearer explanation of the term
might help. The way it looks, I could use "fundamental alteration" to
support all sorts of discriminatory practices.

I ask these questions sincerely because while people have made claims,
they did not provide evidence and specific examples to support their
claims.
-- 
Raven
Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
www.1am-editing.com

You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
have or what you do.

Naturally-reared guide dogs
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On 9/1/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> It is obvious that no matter what NAGDU says or what the rest of us guide
> dog users think, NFB does discriminate against guide dog user's.  This is
> the truth.  How can we expect the rest of society to obey the laws when NFB
>
> doesn't obey them?  What is NAGDU going to do about this discrimination?
>
> Sandra