[nagdu] Guides at NFB training centers

[Raven Tolliver]

Quick correction:
Might the issue be that the staff at the NFB training centers are
unwilling to learn how to teach students using guide dogs? If you
don't believe so, what convinces you the staff are willing to learn to
teach O&M skills to students using guide dogs?
-- 
Raven
Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
www.1am-editing.com

You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
have or what you do.

Naturally-reared guide dogs
https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs

On 9/1/15, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sandra,
> It's extremely disturbing to me, but I don't know if NAGDU will do
> anything about it. It seems that the higher ups in NAGDU don't
> understand that this is discrimination. Maybe I have misread some
> people's messages.
> Rather than finding a way to incorporate guide dogs into O&M skills at
> a training center, people who are guide dog users assert that this is
> impossible or unreasonable. Of course, no one has taken the time to
> explain why it is impossible. What part of the NFB philosophy is
> impossible to instill alongside guide dog travel? What concepts are
> impossible to teach to a traveler using a guide dog rather than or
> alongside a cane? Are you sure that it's impossible to teach these
> concepts to a guide dog traveler using a guide dog? Are you sure that
> the staff at the NFB training centers are not unwilling to learn how
> to teach students using guide dogs? If you are, what convinces you
> that the staff are willing to teach O&M skills to students using guide
> dogs? What part of the philosophy prevents or prohibits the
> reintroduction of the guide dog into the student's class time, time
> between classes, and O&M lessons? What fundamentals of NFB philosophy
> and independent living skills are disrupted by allowing the use of a
> guide dog during all classes?
> How is the prohibition of guide dog use during classes and O&M not
> discrimination?
> Julie J brought up fundamental alteration on a separate thread,
> asserting that "You simply cannot learn what they are teaching if you
> are using a guide dog." Why is this?
> The idea of fundamental alteration is a little disturbing to me
> because it sounds like people can use it in the way people like to use
> freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc, and everyone knows there
> are restrictions on those freedoms. A clearer explanation of the term
> might help. The way it looks, I could use "fundamental alteration" to
> support all sorts of discriminatory practices.
>
> I ask these questions sincerely because while people have made claims,
> they did not provide evidence and specific examples to support their
> claims.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> have or what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
> On 9/1/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> It is obvious that no matter what NAGDU says or what the rest of us guide
>> dog users think, NFB does discriminate against guide dog user's.  This is
>> the truth.  How can we expect the rest of society to obey the laws when
>> NFB
>>
>> doesn't obey them?  What is NAGDU going to do about this discrimination?
>>
>> Sandra
>