[nagdu] Are Training Program Policies Discriminatory? wasTalking points for convos with training centers' directors

[Cindy Ray]

Please folks. Remember that for now this topic is done. Give it a rest,
please. I think it has now been sufficiently beaten to death. I don't mean
to say it can't dome up again; I do believe it must stop for now so that
people['s emotions can be tamped down.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Are Training Program Policies Discriminatory?
wasTalking points for convos with training centers' directors

Raven, your response ilicits mixed feelings in me.  As a CATHOLIC, I do
believe that most non-Catholics do not truly understand what it means to be
Catholic, they do not understand the structure of the Church, why it is what
it is, and why we believe what we believe.  Most people do not want to take
the time and trouble to understand, either.

Your use of Nazi Germany is faulty, because there is much history to support
people's criticism.  We can look at the Nazi point of view and see from
hindsight what it was, what it did, and how faulty its claims are and were.
The same can largely be said of the KKK.  True, I have not been to a KKK
meeting, nor did I live through the time of Nazi Germany.  I cannot say that
I have stepped into the shoes of an SS guard, or Nazi Youth, or whatever.
Nor have I gone to a secret meeting of the KKK.

As a recent (or fairly recent) member of the NFB, I can say that I did not
totally understand some things before I joined NFB and went to the Colorado
Center for the Blind.  Having been through the Center, I believe that I can
speak for some change to the policy, and have done so.  But ow would not
want to throw out the baby with the bath.  I do not believe that the Centers
are totally discriminatory.  I do believe that people need to be immersed in
the whole experience.  Unlike some others though, I believe that some
changes can and perhaps should be made to allow for more inclusion of dog
guides.  I believe that if you had attended an NFB Center you would see that
totally including dogs in the program would alter it totally.  I think that
there's more of a middle ground.  And I think that including a dog more in
the program would need to be done on a one on one basis.  Each person's
training does have an individual path.  There are certain milestones along
the way that each must do, but they can and have been modified, depending on
the needs of the person at the time.

Although you do have the right as a non-member to express your views, you do
owe Marion and the other leaders the courtesy of respect.  I would say that
to anyone.  I would not, nor do I, speak disrespectfully members of other
denominations who, for instance, are anti-Catholic, even dough sometimes
their comments are ignorant and boorish.  I would suggest that you read some
of Jacobus TenBroek's, and some of Dr.  Jernigan's writings.  Read or listen
to Marc Maurer's speeches, and speeches or writings of President Ricobono.
I do not ask that you blindly accept everything you read and hear.  Sorry,
couldn't help myself.  Lol.  
But after you have done that, then we can discuss a plan for beginning to
include dogs more into the NFB training center 
programs.  I'd be happy to write back and forth to you privately.     
Peace,    Debby and Nova

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