[nagdu] I'm going to get in trouble--dogs in the back

Wed Sep 9 16:42:01 UTC 2015

My dog will decide to sit on the floor if there is room. If there's
not a bunch of us riding together, I will see to it that there is room
made for him on the floor. But most of the time, he rides on the back
seat with me or even if I'm upfront.
I was never taught the best way to ride with my guide dog in a
vehicle. When I returned from NY with the Golden Guy, I just let him
ride on the seat.

I also don't get how people position their dogs on planes, Dan. The
last several times I flew, I had a row of seats to myself and allowed
the Golden Guy to stretch out.

I try to keep my dog's comfort in consideration no matter what we're
riding in. But I also want him to be safe. There're no guarantees, but
on the backseat, I see how the dog can be injured or injure someone
else in the case of an accident.
Of course, this is the first time something like this has happened in
the nearly 3.5 years we've been together, so maybe it's not the
biggest deal in the world. Next time I ride upfront though, I'm
definitely gonna try it with the dog up there with me.
-- 
Raven
Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
www.1am-editing.com

You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
have or what you do.

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On 9/9/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I agree Cindy! Mostly, I put Holly on the floor. However, in family
> vehicles
> she has been known to go in the back or sometimes on the seat when it is
> impossible to put her down there. Consistantcy is always good. If a dog
> expects not to sit on the seat, they usually don't unless they feel it's
> the
> only choice. I remember one time in my mother-in-laws van where Holly has
> the whole back area. Well, it was really hot and we had on the air but it
> must have not reached back there yet. Holly jumped into the middle seat and
> sat under the air vent.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 10:17 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm going to get in trouble--dogs in the back
>
> Dan, that is a message filled with judgmental. People have the same rights
> that you have. I have seen people put their dogs on the back seat of my car
> with mud on their paws. I prefer the floor for that reason. I don't think
> anyone is manic about this. I think mostly people feel it is best to follow
> the rules because it is consistent. Dogs are best with consistent for the
> most part, but you end up doing what is best for you and for your dog. I am
> glad that you put your dog on the back seat if that's what you want to do.
> I
> want to have control of my dog's head because maybe I'm manic. LOL, but I
> have control over him if there is an accident. Even pet dogs are often
> belted or harnessed in if you can't be with them. That is as much for
> safety
> as it is to keep them from roaming the car. It is fine to give your
> opinion,
> but don't judge the rest of us that way.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:14 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm going to get in trouble--dogs in the back
>
> You guys are really going to lecture me, but I don't care.
> What is the problem you guys have with a dog on the back seat.
> All right, I understand the effort to be considerate in someone elses' car,
> but frankly some of you folks seem really high strung, uptight and frankly
> you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about rules and so
> on.
> Sometimes my dog just won't fit on the back seat floor area of the car he's
> a big guy.
> And if it's the family car, or a friend's car and they don't object, then
> what is the problem?
>
> Not to mention your dog might be more comfortable on the back seat rather
> than the floor.
>
> When I first started out I did the front seat with the dog between my legs
> thing and frankly no matter how you slice it, it isn't the most comfortable
> thing I ever did, guys.
>
>
> The same with the almost manic obsession I see with some of my guide dog
> using friends for shoving the dog under the seat in front of the plane no
> matter how much you have to shove the dog anyhow nervous the people I'm
> talking about seem to get if the dog moves an inch or tries to stretch out.
>
> Sometimes dogs just take up space and that's the way it goes  friends.
> Obviously all of this is JMO.
>
> Just wondering.
> Take care, guys.
>
>
> Dan the man, Parker the hound
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle
> Cyclorama via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 10:00 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Danielle Cyclorama
> Subject: I'm going to get in trouble--dogs in the back
>
> I have never allowed my dog on the seat and don't plan to do so unless I
> have no other option. I find that my dog has the most room in the back seat
> when there are only one or two other people in the car. With more people,
> we
> are usually better off in the front. Even though I have a larger dog, he
> curls up readily. He usually likes to rest his head on the seat which I
> don't have a problem with.
>
> If you think about it, it makes sense that the dog is safer on the floor.
> If
> you stop short with the dog on the seat and he is thrown forward, there
> isn't much stopping him. If he is on the floor, he is more likely to be
> pushed up against the seat or what ever is in front of him.
>
> Danielle and Thai
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Buddy Brannan via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Reckon his head should be OK on the seat, which is where your lap is.
>> Just
> not above that. As for side airbags, I have no idea how they work, I just
> know they exist.
>>
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess I'm not clear where the airbag comes out in front.  If the
>>> hound is under the dashboard, I guess he's safe, so long as he
>>> doesn't put his head up on the seat? And where do the airbags come
>>> out on
> the side?
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>>> Brannan via nagdu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 8:26 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doggie seat belts
>>>
>>> You do, if your dog doesn't keep his head down. I recall them telling
>>> us at TSE when I got Chet that the dog should be safe so long as his
>>> head stays down below where the airbag deploys.
>>>
>>> If this is your concern, however, you maybe don't want to ride in
>>> anything more sophisticated than a riding lawn mower, as now cars
>>> have airbags that pop out of all sorts of places. Front airbags, and
>>> side
> airbags.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you ride in the front, don't you have to worry about the airbags?
>>>> I always prefer to ride in back, if possible, because the thought of
>>>> an
>>> airbag
>>>> hitting my dog terrifies me.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>>> via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 10:14 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doggie seat belts
>>>>
>>>> I always ask to ride in the front if at all possible. Most of the
>>>> people I know who are not twenty somethings are good with that. It
>>>> would be the
>>> best
>>>> for the dog especially with that situation going on. I get it now.
>>>> *smile* Cindy Lou Ray cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>> Tolliver via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:11 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doggie seat belts
>>>>
>>>> Most of the people I ride with are twenty-somethings with jobs,
>>>> school,
>>> and
>>>> junk all over the God blessed place in their vehicles. For instance,
>>>> my older sister has 3 jobs and goes to school. She practically lives
>>>> out of
>>> her
>>>> car and has stuff for all 3 jobs in there, school books/supplies,
>>>> and garbage. So like her, people just throw stuff on the floor in
>>>> their cars, and there's sometimes junk on the seats, too.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm in the back of a vehicle where 2 people are in the front
>>>> seats,
>>> it's
>>>> can be practically impossible to put my dog on the floor, depending
>>>> on the height of the folks up front.
>>>>
>>>> When I ride in Taxis or Uber vehicles, I always have my dog on the
>>>> floor
>>> out
>>>> of consideration for others. I never thought of it as a safety
> precaution.
>>>>
>>>> I never rode with my dog in the front seat with me. I'll have to try
> that.
>>>> Conveniently, I preferred to enjoy my foot room, but I'd rather my
>>>> dog be safe. This was such an eye-opening experience. Thankfully,
>>>> nothing worse happened.
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>>
>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>>> have
>>> or
>>>> what you do.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/8/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Why is it often not possible to have the dog on the floor of the
>>>>> back
>>>> seat.
>>>>> The front does work the best, but often it will work. In fact, for
>>>>> me it mostly does.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>>> Tolliver via nagdu
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:45 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Doggie seat belts
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone ever used a doggie seat belt for a pet or guide?
>>>>> I am considering getting one for my dog. Recently, we nearly got
>>>>> into a car accident, and he was flung off the back seat.
>>>>> Is it safest to always have them ride on the floor? I do that
>>>>> whenever possible, but often times, it is not, so I would like
>>>>> another way to keep him safe.
>>>>> Thanks for any tips or suggestions.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raven
>>>>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>>>>> www.1am-editing.com
>>>>>
>>>>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
>>>>> have or what you do.
>>>>>
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