[nagdu] Allergic reaction to ear cleanser?

Sat Sep 26 21:42:19 UTC 2015

Tracy,
I understand your frustration. Having a hypersensitive dog is no walk
in the park, and requires a lot of time, energy, and effort on your
part, and even money, depending on how long it takes to get out of the
vicious circle of everything you use causing reactions.
If it is too much for you to deal with both his behavioral and medical
setbacks, then return him. It is easy for anyone to say "Just work
through it." But we all don't have the same levels of willingness,
tolerance, and patience, especially when there are "healthier" dogs
available. Having a guide dog is already hard work outside of addition
behavioral and medical problems.

Rather than going the conventional route, detoxing Krokus is the best
way to stop his allergic reactions. His body is in spring cleaning
mode, trying his best to eliminate all the toxins it is loaded with.
Giving him shots might be a short term solution, but even that will
cause damage, as those shots will likely be steroidal, which only
suppress the immune system, and cause the health challenge to express
itself internally, rather than externally, which is not good for
anyone. This means that rather than having ear infections or skin
allergies, the dog ends up with organ damage or an auto-immune
disease.
No one has to be on shots for the rest of their life. That is an
option, but definitely not the only one. It's much easier to eliminate
the problem altogether than it is to have to manage and maintain it
for the rest of the dog's life.

Also, being a labrador doesn't spare a dog, or lessen a dog's chances
of having health challenges. These days, it seems like half of all
dogs are always having one health challenge or another because of
everything they are exposed to on a daily, monthly, and annual basis.
It typically happens between 2 and 5, when the body decides it has had
enough, and has to start clearing all the toxins out. And even if it
doesn't happen when they're younger, dogs these days will end up with
some inflammatory disease, just as most humans do. How many seniors
end up with cancer, arthritis, bowel disorders, organ disorders,
dementia, and so on. It is far too common, but we can always do
something to prevent or reverse these health challenges no matter what
the medical "pros" say.
-- 
Raven
Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
www.1am-editing.com

You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
have or what you do.

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On 9/25/15, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> For yeast, I use 50 50 water and white vinegar. It is gone in days. That
> was
> with my second guide. Sorry, if you tried this treatment if didn't work for
> you, warm hugs.
>
> Just remembered, I used this on the lab in the house a couple of times.
> This
> was before we changed food, I am pretty sure. Anyway neither dog has had
> yeast in ages. I don't think Jake ever had it here. Jake's ears just smell
> waxy. I clean them with whatever ear wash I have around, just whenever,
> smile.
>
> Becky and Jake
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> nagdu
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 4:42 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergic reaction to ear cleanser?
>
> Becky:
>
> Although it does cost a bit more, my vet cultures Eva's ears.  This way she
> is sure she is prescribing the correct treatment.  Both times Eva had yeast
> infections she was given drops to put in once a day for two weeks.  She was
> re-checked after the two weeks and needed another one to two weeks on the
> drops before the infection was resolved.  Once the infection was gone, I
> was
> instructed to clean the ears at least once or twice a week and use the
> drops
> if necessary for a couple of days.  That has gotten us through the past few
> months without another infection.  By having the drops on hand, I am able
> to
> immediately get them into her ears the minute I notice them feeling hot or
> her itching them.  These allergy ears are tough to deal with but, with a
> good treatment plan, they can be kept under control.  That will definitely
> make you and your dog a lot happier.
>
> Sandra and Eva
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Becky Frankeberger via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Becky Frankeberger
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergic reaction to ear cleanser?
>
> Tracy, did your vet culture the ears? Then he she knows exactly how to
> treat. But alas, sounds like they are doing to you what they did to me and
> that was treat for what seems common that week. So my dogs got treated for
> ear mites and that is not what they had. Culture the ears by another vet
> and
> they were all better it seemed like in hours. Then a couple days to have
> clear and clean ears. Please it is not the golden in him it is the dog or
> the vet office, not sure.
>
> In eight and a half years I have had my pure golden, Jake,  one
> misdiagnosed
> ear infection. My first golden a cross, tons of ear infections and scar
> tissue to boot which he had to have removed. . Once I got my second golden
> on venison he only had fal yeast infections. So it is your particular dog
> your vet needs to get serious about and investigate the two of you what is
> causing the problems.
>
> Sorry you are frustrated. I have certainly been there.
>
> Warm hugs,
> Becky and pure golden Jake
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:29 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergic reaction to ear cleanser?
>
> Thanks Tami.
> Poor Krokus's infection is getting worse!  Clearly my efforts so far have
> not been effective.  The vet gave me a stronger bottle of drops, plus a
> bottle of medicated cleanser.  I'm supposed to do one in the morning and
> one
> in the evening.
> And his anal glands are filling up like mad, which the vet says is an
> allergy symptom.
> I had blood drawn for an allergy test, though only for general categories.
> If it turns out to be something he's going to need shots for the rest of
> his
> life, I think I'll send him back.  That seems like an awful lot of trouble.
> Damn his golden genes.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis via
> nagdu
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:25 PM
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> Cc: Tami Jarvis
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergic reaction to ear cleanser?
>
> Tracy,
>
> Okay, this is how I understand it. It hink I'm remembering what my vets
> have
> told me over the years correctly.
>
> Squirting the stuff directly into the ear gets it down into the ear canal.
> I
> also kinda massage and pull the ear to straighten out the canal so the goop
> will go further down, Then I wipe it out of the outer ear as it comes back
> outt. A lot of infections reside deep down where you wouldn't want to probe
> around with a cotton swab or anything else.
>
> Swabbing the outer part of the ear and the outermost portion of the ear
> canal does keep dirt from traveling down and causing infections or
> blockages, so it's a good thing to do. I seem to have heard or read that
> cleaning too much with a disinfectant can also kill healthy bacteria that
> help keep the ear free of yeast.
>
> Now you've reminded me I need to get busy and do some basic ear maintenance
> on our dogs. Poor neglected creatures.
>
> Tami
>
>
>
> On 09/25/2015 05:01 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
>> I have an ear cleaning question, too.
>> The technique I learned in class is to put some ear solution on a
>> cotton pad and gently wipe the ears, then dry them with another cotton
>> pad.  But the method for the ear infection ointment, and the
>> instructions for the ear solution I bought from Amazon, is to squeeze
>> some of the solution into the ear, then massage the ear.
>> The first way, with the solution on a pad, seems a lot easier to
>> control the amounts, and to actually clean the ear.  So I'm a bit
>> confused about why the other method is being recommended for the
>> infection, when it seems like the ointment just stays in the ear, then
>> I add more the next day.  I'll ask the vet about it today, but I
>> wonder if
> anyone else knows.
>> I sure am getting tired of trekking to the vet.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle
>> Cyclorama via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:13 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Danielle Cyclorama
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Allergic reaction to ear cleanser?
>>
>> I use an equal mixture of water and apple cider vinegar to clean my
>> dogs ears. I don't miss those ear infection days. I was lucky that the
>> first thing I removed from Thai's diet was the allergen, but it took a
>> lot longer to get rid of pet dog's ear issues. Hope Jenny feels better
> soon.
>>
>> Danielle and Thai
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Tami Jarvis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Daryl,
>>>
>>> Poor Jenny! Her system may be ultra sensitive, since you just
>>> recently
>> changed her diet and things are still balancing out. I don't know if
>> the oatmeal would be a factor or not. If there's a pattern of
>> flare-ups when you use that cleanser, that is a clue. Intermittent
>> recurring problems like this are so frustrating, since tracking down
>> the underlying thing you need to change is a matter of trial and
>> error, and it takes time to find out if any given change is the right
>> one.
>>>
>>> I've used both Epiotic and Zymox and liked both. I think the Epiotic
>>> is
>> more of a cleanser; it's been a few years, since I couldn't find it
>> for a long time. I haven't tried the Zymox cleansing solution, just
>> the medicated goop. Boy, does that clear things right up! Loki seems
>> to have outgrown regular yeast infections. It seems like puppies are
>> prone because their body chemistry is always changing and frequently
>> out of balance. So I sniff his ears a lot. /lol/
>>>
>>> If it's a yeast infection, probiotics might help, since those support
>> healthy bacteria that are unfriendly to yeast. Antibiotics can kill
>> off healthy bacteria, making yeast infections more likely. I always
>> eat a lot of yogurt when I'm taking antibiotics, so I give my dogs
>> yogurt when they're on antibiotics. Nowadays, there are a lot of
>> probiotics in pill form that are supposed to be better.
>>>
>>> hth,
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>>> On 09/24/2015 11:05 AM, Daryl Marie via nagdu wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>> On the topic of ear infections... Jenny got another one last week. I
>> inadvertently gave her treats with rice and grain in them... silly me
>> didn't read the label!
>>>> I've been cleaning her ears with a solution she's had before, but
>>>> have
>> gradually increased the time between cleaning to 2 times a week while
>> the infection is present. Until yesterday, she was doing great!
>>>>
>>>> I cleaned her ears on Tuesday night. Admittedly, I may have put too
>>>> much
>> solution in them, but I did wipe them dry. About 18 hours later, both
>> ears were hot to the touch, she was pawing at both of them, she kept
>> pulling them away, and they were slightly pink and obviously irritated.
>>>>
>>>> This morning they are much less sensitive, less pink, and she's
>>>> pawing at
>> them less.
>>>>
>>>> So I have a few questions:
>>>> 1) Is it possible to have a reaction to an ear cleanser? In looking
>>>> at
>> the ingredients, it looks like it's an oat extract-based cleanser. If
> so...
>>>> 2) I've been told that a grain allergy is generally only if it's
>>>> been
>> ingested... but by flushing her ears out with it, is it not
>> technically an ingestion?
>>>> 3) Any ear cleanser recommendations? My vet carries Epiotic, and
>>>> I've
>> heard good things about it and Zymox. I've also got coconut oil
>> coming, but buying it locally is insanely expensive.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Daryl
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