[NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: guide dogs and unfamiliar routes

Tue Apr 19 17:10:40 UTC 2016

Hi all! How are you all? I definitely agree with you all! In regards of haveing a guide dog; instead, of a cane! I use a cane! And you guys are definitely encouraging me in getting a guide dog!!! I did not have a chance to get a guide dog! Yet  But when I do I will let yu guys know!! Now a question, but before you get a dog you need to have a good orientation withe cane right? I'm just wondering since I'm still working on it! But getting a guide dog is one of the things that I want to get since I'm in school and my University is big and sometimes i feel scare in walking with a cane by myself! :) I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!!

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> On Apr 19, 2016, at 12:18 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dan:
> 
> I have never been afraid to tell the whole truth.  I know in NFB it isn't 
> politically correct because they just love those ridiculously long canes 
> that are as tall or even taller than the person using them.  However, those 
> old sticks cannot keep a person from being hit by a car.  They cannot follow 
> a waiter who is guiding you to a table or a sales person who is helping you 
> in a store.  I I never have to go sighted guide because my dog will follow. 
> There is just so much more a dog can do than a dumb stick.  Oh and I can 
> have the added enjoyment, pleasure and unconditional love my dog gives me in 
> addition to her excellent guide work.  I actually enjoy exploring new areas 
> with my guide dog.  It gives you a wonderful sense of freedom and 
> independence.  Yes, you might get lost but, no big deal, you can always stop 
> and ask for directions.  I have discovered some great little stores, coffee 
> shops and other places by just going out to explore.
> 
> Sandra
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 11:53 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Dan Weiner
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] guide dogs and unfamiliar routes
> 
> Good for you, Sandra, someone who actually tells it like it is.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> Dan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 11:11 AM
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> Cc: S L Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] guide dogs and unfamiliar routes
> 
> Hello:
> 
> Oh, I hate this topic.  It always makes my blood boil when people claim a
> cane is better than a guide dog.  Are they completely stupid?  I have worked
> in many unfamiliar areas both with a cane and with a dog.  I find the dog to
> be much more soupier to the cane in an unfamiliar area.  You cannot ask your
> cane to find curbs, steps, seats,elevators, check in or check out counters,
> the bus entrance, doors, get you safely on and off a train  etc...  Anyone
> who tells you a cane is better in unfamiliar places is just not telling you
> the truth.  They obviously do not truly understand how a guide dog is
> trained and how they work.  I love traveling in unfamiliar airports, hotels,
> cities and have my dog find the things I ask her to find with confidence and
> joy in her work.  As long as you give plenty of encouragement when your dog
> is hesitant and then follow up with plenty of praise when the dog
> successfully follows your commands, you should do just fine.  I never would
> have traveled to many of the places I have been with my guide dogs in the
> past 40 years if I had to do it with a cane.  After all, the cane is just a
> useless stick and a guide dog is a very intelligent, highly trained capable
> partner to ensure your safe travel.  No way is a cane better than a dog.
> Come on folks, get real, the guide dog is the only way to be totally
> independent without looking stupid swinging that dumb stick around.  Just
> ask any sighted person observing us travel at our conventions.  They all say
> the dog people get around much better than the canes and they don't trip up
> all the people with the overly long canes.  Dogs are the best!!!
> 
> Sandra and Golden Retriever, Eva
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 10:49 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Dan Weiner
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] guide dogs and unfamiliar routes
> 
> I just think as everyone said, go ahead with whatever you feel comfortable
> doing and don't pay attention to any nay-sayers.
> 
> I've met people who say they use the cane in unfamiliar environments, if it
> works for them that's fine, though honestly I've found it is oof very little
> use to go over an outdoor environment with a cane before I usee a dog. I've
> sometimes gone over in door environments with a cane, say my office when I
> was working to know every nok and cranny, every chair and so on, or maybe a
> classroom.  But for travel basically it's the dog if I'm using a dog and
> maybe a folding cane in my backpack if I really need to check something.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Dan the man, Parker the hound
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 10:38 AM
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> Cc: Julie McGinnity
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] guide dogs and unfamiliar routes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I agree with what's been said...  And I'll take it a step further...
> 
> We should expect that we will get lost with our dogs.  It will happen at
> least once, if not multiple times.  And we must know how our dogs react to
> this.  Of course, it is ideal to know exactly where we're going so that we
> can give our dog clear directions, but navigating the world can be rather
> like navigating life.  We do not always know where we're going, even when we
> think we do.
> 
> So do you know how your dog reacts when you're lost.  My first dog would
> work but got really stressed out.  My current dog probably thinks it's a
> game and loves it because I ask him for more targets when I don't know
> what's around me.  As long as I tell him he's a good boy, he's on board.  :)
> 
> These dogs should have the training to work with us under a majority of the
> circumstances in which we find ourselves.  There is no reason we should be
> afraid of working them in new environments or expect that we will always no
> where we are headed when we're using our dogs.  If you feel more comfortable
> with your cane in a new environment and wish to use it, then go for it.  But
> if you would rather work the dog, or if you want your dog with you for the
> rest of the travel involved in your plans, then excellent.  In the end,
> Aleeha, you know yourself and your dog best, and that matters the most.
> 
>> On 4/19/16, Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The dog should do what it's told, in that
> your commands should be
>> conveyed in a manner that is easy for you and that the dog can understand.
>> Who is pushing back and why do you care? I mean, if it's the mail man,
>> it doesn't matter what he thinks, at least not in this situation. If
>> it's someone who trained the dog and is trying to excuse poor
>> training, then you need to decide what you'll do about it... not use a
> dog? Get another dog?
>> Get a dog from another school? Talk to the owner trainers to see what
>> suggestions they may have? You have a lot of options.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha
>> Dudley via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 8:41 PM
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>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] guide dogs and unfamiliar routes
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> I'm writing to seek your opinion on something that I've been pondering
>> for a while. Do you guys find that it is reasonable to go to a brand
>> new city with your dog, get directions to go somewhere, and get there,
>> while still using the dog, even if the area is unknown? Am I wrong in
>> thinking that the dog should listen to what you need, and not have a
>> massive panic? I've gotten some push back from people on this and
>> wanted
> to see your thoughts.
>> Thanks
>> Aleeha
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