[NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop

Thu Apr 21 20:48:39 UTC 2016

				Plus you can't really prove it wasn't you...
the whole you can't prove a negative

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Cc: Lisa Belville <missktlab1217 at frontier.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop

Well yeah, and it's fine to have a sense of humor about this stuff.  But if
you're constantly being on the receiving end it seems more like harassment
then joking.  And maybe this is just me, but I don't like being accused of
something I'm not doing.

Lisa Belville
missktlab1217 at frontier.com

Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a
different one each day.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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Cc: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop

> And I remember my apartment complex in Maryland and the manager asking 
> me about it when it turned out that it wasn't my dog, they even showed 
> me the spot and I said I never took my dog there, but because some 
> guys on the first floor with a window out there had seen me earlier in 
> the general area and then they found dog defecation they just had to 
> assume it's me...Oh well, keeps everyone busy--smile.
> Now I didn't say busy busy, or get busy".
> I should watch my syntax, I said "they assumed it was me" whereas 
> really I meant they assumed it was my dog--lol  I have not, even in 
> the most drunken state under the influence of MD2020 (anyone remember 
> that stuff?)  ...have not ever goene to the bathroom on a lawnin front 
> of a ground fllor apartment--smile
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa 
> Belville via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:12 PM
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> Cc: Lisa Belville
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>
> As far as picking up, I do whether I'm expected to or not.  I use the 
> same spot most of the time, so picking up is just common sense.
>
> Sadly, some complexes have a nasty habit of blaming the blind person 
> when the reality is, they have no clue who's dog is doing the crapping.
>
> I get that we miss an occasional piece, but I've been in situations 
> where the complex management automatically assumed it was the blind 
> folks with the dogs rather than the countless other fully sighted 
> residents who never lifted a finger to remove droppings.  This was a 
> main stream complex that just happened to have a few blind folks with 
> guide dogs.  There were also tons of yappy, puntable objects making 
> messes.  If the management had just bothered to examine the evidence, 
> they'd see that no way could dogs weighing in excess of 60 pounds make 
> these teeny tiny messes, but you know, we're blind, so we couldn't 
> possibly get how unsightly a pile of busy number 2 is.
>
> <sigh>  I'm not a huge Big brother person, but having DNA would at 
> least prove, maybe with 99% accuracy, that my dog didn't leave the 
> droppings and the real offenders would be penalized.
>
> I'm just waiting for the Morey Povich show spin off where they read 
> out dog doo DNA results.  It would be way more interesting than the 
> paternity stuff he's been doing for the last few years.  LOL
>
>
>
> ,
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>
> Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a 
> different one each day.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Lewis via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Cc: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
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>
>> Wow, now I've heard it all! LOL
>> Sounds like the complex wants to test all the dogs fecal matter so 
>> that if they find a pile on the property, they can analyze it and 
>> know who's dog left it?
>> I think that's a bit over the top, and I probably would fight it if I 
>> lived at that complex.
>> Deanna
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne 
>> Denning via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:28 AM
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>> Cc: Marianne Denning
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>>
>> I wonder if it is to test for worms.  I could see that if there are a 
>> lot of dogs in the complex.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That seems like a weird requirement. Do they pay for the test? I 
>>> feel that the dog is a dog, and if there is some explanation for it 
>>> that makes sense, it should be an be done. Not sure if they can enforce
it.
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica N.
>>> Naert
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:09 AM
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>>> Cc: Jessica N. Naert <jessica.n.naert at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Apartment Complex- Picking up poop
>>>
>>> Hello there!
>>>
>>> I am involved in a guide dog handlers group and someone asked if an 
>>> apartment complex can require their guide dog to submit to a fecal 
>>> DNA test if they are requesting all animals in the complex to do so 
>>> upon move in.
>>> The
>>> conversation developed and one participant stated that guide dog 
>>> handlers weren't required to pick up poop. I emailed NAGDU and got 
>>> the response that some communities have ordinances that don't 
>>> require guide dog handlers to pick up the poop but since we as blind 
>>> individuals are trying to get our society to treat us as equal and 
>>> full participants, we should pick up our dogs poop. I totally agree.
>>> What do you all think about the Fecal DNA test?
>>> I left a voicemail for the hotline but just was curious what you all 
>>> thought.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Jessica N. Naert
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